[NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

S L Johnson SLJohnson25 at comcast.net
Thu Jan 25 23:53:24 UTC 2018 

Julie:

I agree with you.  Any out of control dog should be removed.  An airline 
attendant was bitten when he had to help me protect my golden from being 
attacked by two very aggressive shepherds.  I questioned the airline staff 
but they said it was against the law to make those two handlers take their 
aggressive dogs off the plane.  That was many years ago and there was not 
any kind of help desk or security I could consult.  I was not as familiar 
with the laws and my rights at that time.  Believe me, due to other 
instances of aggressive guide dogs I have learned the laws and will not 
hesitate to speak up to protect my dog from being harmed.  This same 
standard of mandatory good behavior should be used in all public places.  I 
experienced this situation when my landlord as well as many stores and 
restaurants refused to make a man whose dog kept attacking my guide remove 
his out of control very aggressive dog from their property.  They all said 
they were afraid to make the blind man remove his dog even though his dog 
was a dangerous threat to other people and my guide dog.  Even when the 
police and animal control were called they refused to take the aggressive 
dog away from the blind man or make him leave the premises.  The ADA states 
clearly that under those circumstances that person can be made to remove his 
dog but people are too afraid to do it.  We have the laws so all we have to 
do now is get people not to be afraid to use them.  I am getting very tired 
of encountering out of control guide, service dogs and I am definitely tired 
of people claiming their emotional support dog has the same rights as my 
well trained guide dog.   This situation is made much worse by all the pet 
owners who get capes and IDs so they can pretend their poorly behaved pets 
are service dogs.  This problem causes all of us with real disabilities and 
our well trained dogs.  It is time to throw them all out so our dogs can 
work safely.

Sandra Johnson
SLJohnson25 at comcast.net   .

-----Original Message----- 
From: Julie Johnson via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 1:58 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Julie Johnson
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

I don't think you are understanding my point. Accountability doesn't mean
passing more laws.  Paperwork doesn't solve behavior problems.

Accountability means the person is given a fine, has to leave the
establishment or is banned from ever coming back if the behavior is a repeat
offense.

If the current laws aren't working, passing more laws isn't likely to work
either.  It's like saying "stop" or I'll say "stop" again.  It's laughable.
We need to be saying "stop" or you will have to leave.

Julie
On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
<https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
-----Original Message----- 
From: Christopher O'meally via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 11:59 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Christopher O'meally
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Disappointed in Guiding Eyes for the Blind's Response

if holding people accountable is the only suggested plan, I don't see
this going anywhere.  several states have imposed laws against this,
but I see mor fakes in public now than ever.  BTW you can buy fake
tags.

On 1/25/18, Julie Johnson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Okay, my suggested compromise is showing the rabies tag the dog is wearing
> at the airport when I arrive for my scheduled flight. This will avoid
> giving advance notice, will have no burden of additional paperwork, will 
> not
>
> cause me to pay for additional vet appointments and will treat me like 
> other
>
> passengers.
>
> Perhaps people don't know some facts about vaccines.  Only a vet can give
> the rabies vaccine.  In most/all states the rabies vaccine is the only
> legally required vaccine, typically every three years. Vaccines such as
> distemper, parvo etc. are suggested by vets, but not legally required.
> these diseases are not communicable to people like rabies.  You can give
> vaccines like distemper at home yourself, saving time and money.   Also
> causing a problem if you choose to exercise this entirely legal option and
> then fly using Delta.
>
> There is increasing evidence that giving vaccines every year is actually
> harmful.  Numerous studies show that vaccines are active in the body far
> longer than a single year.  Over vaccinating can cause physical and 
> behavior
>
> problems.
>
> I am bothered by all the comments stating that I have this health info
> anyway, so it's no bother to show it at the airport.  It feels very 
> selfish.
>
> Because it's no bother to me personally, I'm not going to think about 
> anyone
>
> else or the broader implications.
>
> If we want to make progress on this issue, we are going to have to start
> thinking inclusively of all people with all types of disabilities, at all
> income levels, in big cities and small, with and without a computer, with
> big dogs and small, with school provided ID's and not, doing all sorts of
> tasks and with varying needs.
>
> The only way I see to do this is to hold people accountable for the 
> behavior
>
> of their dog.  There seems to be a significant barrier in this area. There
>
> are already provisions to remove a person or service dog if their behavior
> is atrocious.  As a society we are reluctant to follow through.  As a
> society we make more laws, restricting freedoms even more, because we are
> afraid of confronting people.
>
> I'd like to see educational materials on ways businesses can approach a
> person with a service or emotional support dog that is behaving badly.
> Businesses need very specific, how to, info on addressing this situation 
> in
>
> a way that is respectful, does not escalate the situation and protects the
> business from a retaliatory lawsuit.
>
> In all my years of working with guide dogs, reading service dog news
> articles, attending various conferences etc.  never once have I come 
> across
>
> an instance where a person was asked to remove their out of control dog 
> that
>
> was handled respectfully and legally.  There is not a single example I can
> point to to demonstrate the right thing to do.   News stories highlight 
> out
>
> of control dogs, arrogant people and vague demands that something needs to
> be done.
>
> Yes, something needs to be done and that something is to help businesses
> feel empowered to follow through with what the law currently provides.
>
> The problem is the behavior of some dogs and the only way to solve that
> problem is to do something to address behavior.  Requiring proof of
> vaccinations or health has very little to do with behavior.   I believe 
> once
>
> people face actual consequences for their choice to not get their dog
> appropriate training they will think seriously about having a repeat
> experience.  Also once the news starts reporting what happens to people 
> who
>
> aren't being responsible, the word will get around and people who want to
> take advantage will start thinking seriously about their choices.
>
> Humans are motivated by pain or pleasure.  To get lasting results the pain
> of taking an untrained dog on a plane has to outweigh the pleasure they 
> get
>
> from having the dog along.  That isn't going to be accomplished with some
> paperwork.  It will happen when people experience consequences for their
> poor choices.
>
> Julie
> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
> <https://www.blindmicemegamall.com/bmm/shop/Directory_Departments?storeid=1916046>
>
>
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Very Respectfully,

Christopher Oâ?TMeally.

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