[NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for Service, Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper

Julie Johnson julielj at neb.rr.com
Mon Jan 29 00:03:22 UTC 2018


That is really the $64,000 question.

I find it interesting that the discussion always leads to what can we, as 
the service dog community, do to prevent ill behaved dogs infringing on our 
right to move about in the world.  .  We talk about new laws, ID's, 
submitting paperwork, restrictions of all sorts, argue about it and circle 
around to the beginning.

I think perhaps a better question is: Why are businesses and airlines not 
enforcing their right to exclude people who are causing disturbances with 
their dog?  Doesn't the behavior of ignoring the problem and allowing these 
people to let their dogs run amuck have some culpability?

We are assuming the responsibility for this problem and I'm asking why? 
Don't businesses and airlines have responsibility to use the laws and rules 
they have available to them already?

I think blind and disabled people have this history of being the problem. 
We are told that we are too slow, to expensive to accommodate, in the way 
and we should sit down and let someone help.  After a lifetime of being 
subjected to those messages, even with significant effort to be autonomous, 
bits of the societal attitude seeps into our subconscious.  Shouldn't we 
just accept what Delta is doing, they are just trying to help us after all. 
We should submit health records because we wouldn't want someone to say bad 
things about how we care for our dogs.   Those thoughts come about because 
of our perceived place in society.   If it's not those exact thoughts, it's 
something else that stems directly from the feeling that we are somehow the 
problem.

I think we need to reexamine our personal beliefs about what we are 
responsible for and insist that the actual responsible parties put their big 
kid pants on and do the adult, responsible thing...ask the owners of the ill 
behaved dogs to leave.

Julie
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-----Original Message----- 
From: Becky Frankeberger via NAGDU
Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2018 5:24 PM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List,the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
Cc: Becky Frankeberger
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for Service, 
Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper

Hey correct me, but doesn't the flight crew have the ability to levy fines. 
This drunk guy was bothering Kevin and his guide dog. The flight attendant 
said firmly to get back in his assigned seat or a ten thousand dollar fine 
would be owed or levied on him.

Why wouldn't this apply to esa or even pet dogs out of their carriers 
causing problems?

Becky

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jenine Stanley 
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Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 3:22 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for Service, 
Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper

I whole-heartedly agree with you, Marion. Also if an animal is out of 
control in the cabin during flight, the animal should be required to be 
transported in cargo for any remaining legs of that flight and a fine should 
be levied against the owner.

The ACAA does not, by the nature of being a civil rights law, prescribe 
penalties against individuals who violate its provisions. It’s a law 
designed to protect rights, not punish those who abuse rights/definitions.
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:08 PM, NAGDU President via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> My opinion on this and on the more gloabal issue of fake service dog 
> users - whether under the ADA or ACAA - is that once businesses begin 
> confidently denying those with poorly-behaved dogs from their premises, 
> the issue will continue. If someone were to show up at the airline gate 
> with an out-of-control dog and they were denied carriage on that plane, 
> the problem will begin to abate.
>
> Fraternally yours,
> Marion
>
>
> Marion Gwizdala, President
> National Association of Guide Dog Users Inc. (NAGDU) National
> Federation of the Blind
> (813) 626-2789
> President at NAGDU.ORG
>
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
> expectations because low expectations create barriers between blind 
> people and our dreams. You can live the life you want! Blindness is not 
> what holds you back.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tara Briggs
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 4:58 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Tara Briggs
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Delta to Require Advance Documentation for
> Service, Support Animals to Fly - WSJ - distemper
>
> Hi all! So I’m just wondering how exactly this policy is going to help the 
> issue. I was reading somebody’s comment on it on Facebook. This person is 
> blind and was traveling with a friend who had a guy dog. She had major 
> allergies to a friends dog and she went and sat in another part of the 
> plane. She was joined by some people with extremely poorly behaved think 
> emotional service animals. In addition, one of those service animals got 
> loose before they boarded the plane and try to attack her friends guy dog. 
> So it does seem to me that something needs to be done. And what I really 
> wish that is is I wish that Delso went after the people with the fake 
> service animals because it wasn’t behaving like a service animal and 
> welcome to the well-behaved guy dog on the plane. What everybody’s 
> thoughts?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 1:24 PM, David via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> That's perfectly clear, Tracy.
>>
>> *David in Clearwater, FL*
>> *david at bakerinet.com*
>>> On 1/20/2018 2:31 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>> I don't see how proof of vaccination has any relation to good
>>> behavior, otherwise.
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