[NAGDU] Mom service dog has puppies in Tampa airport, while dad service dog looks on

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Sun May 27 16:43:32 UTC 2018 

I have heard that, back when guide dogs were a new thing, that many were
intact, at least the males.  I'd be curious if anyone could confirm or deny
this theory.  It seems to me that neutering males has been a common practice
in farm stock for a long time, so shouldn't have been unusual in dogs, but
maybe that wasn't the case.  Male humans do get a bit weird about it.
Tracy



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Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2018 12:31 PM
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mom service dog has puppies in Tampa airport, while dad
service dog looks on

That's true. They did just have to work the service dog angle. So I 
guess the question is how many random service dog users will read it and 
think that working a pregnant female service dog is the thing to do. Who 
knows? Will others who are considering working a pregnant female decide 
to give it a miss because they don't want to have the same experience? 
Or, will folks decide if the husband in this piece can work an intact 
male dog, maybe that's an okay thing to do? Again, who knows? What 
percentage of people make life decisions based on puff pieces in local 
papers?

These aren't the first people to work intact dogs or to breed their 
service dogs. I don't know of a lot of cases, and some may be 
apocryphal, but it's not a new thing, just a very rare one. Changes in 
knowledge about the risk vs. benefit of spaying/neutering and all of the 
opinion pieces based thereon is much more likely to influence the 
decisions of service dog users who own their dogs. When I was updating 
my own research to decide when was best to neuter Loki, I did wonder 
vaguely what influence it all would have on programs, guide-dog specific 
or otherwise. It's not something I've bothered to wonder about since. I 
was more interested in getting through the flood of information and 
trying to evaluate how long to wait with my own dog. In the end, it was 
his size that decided the matter. I needed to be taking him out for 
training, and I wasn't sure I could keep him safe if true love passed 
down the other side of the street. So snip, snip. If he'd been a smaller 
dog, I would have waited a few more months.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that I don't foresee a new wave of 
pregnant service dogs dropping puppies everywhere based on this article. 
I have been foreseeing an increase in the number of intact service dogs 
for some years. What impact this will have, I can't really begin to 
guess. In individual cases, it will depend on the dog and depend on the 
handler. I would also wager a couple of toothpicks that a number of 
folks who decide to forego spay/neuter will change their minds once 
they've had some time to actually work the intact dog. Who needs all 
those extra hassles? So there may be some problems because of an 
increase in intact service dogs, but the general problem may be 
self-limiting.

Tami





On 05/26/2018 11:08 AM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU wrote:
> Tami, it was about cute Golden Retriever puppies being born to a service
> animal in the airport, and the service animal part added strength to it.
And
> daddy dog was there, too and is also a service animal. Oh, I can't wait
> until this new wave gets going.
> Cindy Lou Ray
> cindyray at gmail.com
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tami Jarvis via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:15 PM
> To: Deb and the girls via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Tami Jarvis <tami at poodlemutt.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Mom service dog has puppies in Tampa airport, while
dad
> service dog looks on
> 
> The dogs may not have been from an organization. The lack of availability
> and the expense of obtaining many other types of service dogs means the
> percentage of dogs that are owner-trained or trained by a private trainer
is
> much higher than with guide dogs.
> 
> There's a lot of debate these days about spaying and neutering, the
possible
> health risks, etc. The debate has been going on for a few years at least,
so
> it now involves a lot of etc. A lot of people now firmly believe that
> spaying/neutering is bad for the dog, so I suppose that includes some
> service dog users. Which is to say that, yeah, we just might see more of
> that sort of thing.
> 
> The article didn't mention whether the pregnancy of the mother dog was
> intentional on the part of the owners or not, but that's not what the
> article was about. Cute golden retriever puppies in an airport! /lol/ My
> opinion of the whole affair is not high, but I don't know enough to form
an
> intelligent opinion, so I'll have to wonder until something else comes up
in
> my day.
> 
> Tami
> 
> On 05/25/2018 05:58 PM, Deb and the girls via NAGDU wrote:
>> Don't other service dog organizations know they are supposed to spay the
>> females before they go out with the handler?  I can see we will have more
> of
>> this kind of thing happening. Lord help us.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
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> via
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>> Subject: [NAGDU] Mom service dog has puppies in Tampa airport, while dad
>> service dog looks on
>>
>> Mom service dog has puppies in Tampa airport, while dad service dog looks
> on
>>
>> By Cristopher Spata May 25, 2018
>>
>>
>
http://www.tampabay.com/news/Mom-service-dog-has-puppies-in-Tampa-airport-wh
>> ile-dad-service-dog-looks-on_168575820
>>
>>    
>>
>> TAMPA - Travelers killing time at Tampa International Airport's
Gasparilla
>> Bar got an unexpected show Friday when a dog gave birth to eight puppies
>> near Gate F81.
>>
>>    
>>
>> The 2-year-old golden retriever, Eleanor Rigby, owner Diane Van Atter,
and
>> the puppies' father, Golden Nugget, were waiting to board an afternoon
>> flight home to Philadelphia when the dog went into labor.
>>
>>    
>>
>> They missed the flight, and for the next three hours created a fuzzy
>> spectacle as crowds gathered with phones trying to capture the scene.
>>
>>    
>>
>> The puppies were delivered with assistance from Tampa Fire Rescue
> paramedics
>> stationed at the airport, as well as a nurse who had to leave halfway
> though
>> the delivery to catch her own flight.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Other passengers came and went, casually sipping their coffees and
> charging
>> their phones as they watched puppy after puppy delivered on the carpet,
>> airport spokeswoman Emily Nipps said.
>>
>>    
>>
>> "I've never seen anything like this in an airport, or otherwise," she
> said.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Van Atter said she has mobility and pain issues, Nipps said, and the dogs
>> were service dogs, though Eleanor Rigby was still in training.
>>
>>    
>>
>> Van Atter's stepmother, Karen James, of Bradenton, was also set to fly to
>> Philadelphia. She said they knew Eleanor Rigby was pregnant, but believed
>> the excitement of being in the airport around so many new people may have
>> triggered the early birth.
>>
>>    
>>
>> James was talking to the Tampa Bay Times by phone from the airport when
>> people started cheering in the background.
>>
>>    
>>
>> "Another one just came out!," she said.
>>
>>    
>>
>> She was holding Golden Nugget on a leash.
>>
>>    
>>
>> "I have to go, the father is getting excited," she said. "Every time
she's
>> ready to deliver another one he starts jumping around."
>>
>>    
>>
>> James said the plan was to find a dolly somewhere in the airport to carry
>> the pups and mother out. Then they'd go back to Bradenton where everyone
>> would get some rest before figuring out how to drive to Philadelphia with
> a
>> new litter.
>>
>>    
>>
>> No planes were delayed and all the puppies were successfully delivered.
>> Seven males, and one female.
>>
>>    
>>
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