[NAGDU] Owner training

Thu Apr 11 18:36:04 UTC 2019

Dear All,

	The sort of flaming Jordan has exhibited on this discussion list is intolerable and it is n ot the first time he has exhibited such irrational, disrespectful behavior. Just an FYI, I received notification that Jordan has unsubscribed from this discussion list. I have also sent a message to David Andrews requesting that, if he has not actually unsubscribed or attempts to subscribe again, his address be blocked from doing so. This forum is a means for individuals to share information in a dignified, respectful manner and the sort of keyboard courage exhibited by his messages is unacceptable.

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Marion

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-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2019 7:44 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Cindy Ray
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training

Good morning all,

What Jordan said was unkind and unbelieveably untrue, but don’t continue any discussion of those things. They only fuel fires and can take the thread into places we don’t want it to go. I know we are all very sorry for Julie’s treatment here. When you write here, keep to the topic at hand and do not in any way continue by flaming, or appearing to do so, yourselves.
Thank you. Let’s keep this list the generally beautiful place it is where we can learn about guide dog issues and get information that can make us all better and better handlers.
Cindy Lou Ray, Moderator
Cindyray at gmail.com

Cindy Lou Ray
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> On Apr 10, 2019, at 9:42 PM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Jordan,
> 
> I don’t know what you are referring to about a lousy attitude or that Julie is an idiot. I have known her for many years and her suggestions were sincere and genuine.
> 
> Perhaps a problem that you’re having with your school is that you jump to conclusions and have a fiery temper.
> 
> JODY
> 
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com 
> 
> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2019, at 7:08 PM, Yiska via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Jordan,
>> Having to retrain Belto sounds like tons of work. You have a feel for
>> training. That is frustrating and upsetting that you have had struggles
>> with your past guides. I can't offer much practical help as I am currently
>> trying to retrain my school issued dog. I hope you can find support on this
>> list.
>> Yiska
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 17:02 Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> BTW, your attitude has just lost any further business I was going to give
>>> you and I will make sure everyone I know knows about your lousy attitude.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Julie Johnson via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 5:39 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Julie Johnson <julielj at neb.rr.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training
>>> 
>>> I do, but you already knew that.  Owner training is...not for everyone,
>>> but
>>> that sounds rather lame.   I think you have to have some very strong
>>> reasons
>>> 
>>> for wanting to owner train and they really need to be intrinsic.  Anger or
>>> revenge or proving something to others  isn't enough mental fuel to carry
>>> you through the owner training process.
>>> 
>>> If you'd like to talk feel free to give me a call.  I think you have my
>>> number, but if not send me a private email and I'll send it to you.  The
>>> phone invitation goes out to anyone interested in owner training.
>>> 
>>> I also host a free conference call every other Saturday and I am hosting a
>>> second meet up in Kansas City over Memorial Day weekend.  It's also free,
>>> scholarships are available, to anyone interested in owner training.  You
>>> don't need to be an owner trainer to attend either the phone conference or
>>> meet up.   You do need to be an owner trainer in some stage of the process
>>> to qualify for the scholarship though.  Email me for more info,
>>> julielj at neb.rr.com
>>> 
>>> Julie
>>> On The Go with Guide-and-Service-Dogs.com
>>> http://www.guide-and-service-dogs.com
>>> also find my products in the Blind Mice Mega Mall
>>> <
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>>> 16046>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2019 1:42 PM
>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Jordan Gallacher
>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Owner training
>>> 
>>> Who on here owner trains? Looking into this option since schools se to
>>> think
>>> my dogs having issues are my fault.
>>> Jordan
>>> 
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