[NAGDU] Do you have a cane whet walking with a guide dog?

Thu Aug 29 14:00:17 UTC 2019

Danielle's comments made me think of something else. Country work i.e. when there are no sidewalks , is an example of where I was taught to use my cane to make sure my dog is staying close enough to the shoulder of the road. I don't do country work typically so it's not something that comes up for me as much as for some people. 

Melissa R. Allman
Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations
The Seeing Eye, Inc.
P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ 07963-0375 (mail)
1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ 07960-3378 (deliveries)
973-539-4425 ext. 1724,     Fax:  973-525-1081 mallman at SeeingEye.org

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In the US, people don't typically use a cane while working a guide dog. Infrastructure is more predictable and accessible, but I also think it might be philisophical differences between countries. 
That isn’t to say people never under any circumstances use a cane while working a dog. Sometimes instructors teach students to use there cane to check the right edge  when walking on the right side of a sidewalkless road for example. You might need to use your cane to locate a target your dog isn't familiar with, in order to teach it to them for future used I personally carry a folding cane with me in some situations in a backpack or something. One such situation would be in the snow, where I can use my cane to help assess whether we can climb over that snow drift the dog just stopped for, or if we need to take a longer detour around it.
danielle   

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> On Aug 29, 2019, at 8:48 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I have heard that, in some European countries, blind people carry an 
> ID cane just to let other people know they are blind.  They wave the 
> ID cane before crossing a street, as I understand it.  I saw a couple 
> of these canes at the Seeing Eye reunion.  They were really short, and 
> telescoping, so were pretty easy to carry.  And I think they also had 
> a wrist strap, so as to leave the hand free most of the time.  But 
> it's still another thing hanging on my arm, or in my only free hand.  I'm not real sold on the idea.
> Tracy
> 
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> Hi Tarzan,
> 
> 
> this is Lisa from Germany.
> 
> I know people who use their cane for certain tasks while working their 
> dog. In some European countries it is even mandatory. I think Sweden 
> and also in Austria.
> 
> 
> When I started training with my dog, I was given the opportunity to 
> decide whether to use the cane or not. I decided against it. I do 
> carry a cane in my bag most of the time, just in case. But I basically 
> never use it when I'm out and about with my dog.
> 
> An O&M instructor once adviced me to use the cane while getting on and 
> off a train. But I quickly found that for me, it's much safer and 
> easier to do it just with the dog. I don't know why, because 
> technically it sounds reasonable to use the cane to find out how big 
> the gap to the platform is and so on. But it just works better for me 
> to follow the dog off and on the train.
> 
> 
> Lisa
>> Am 29.08.2019 um 14:26 schrieb Melissa Allman via NAGDU:
>> Hi Tarzan. This recently came up at a presentation I attended. In the
> early days of guide dog schools, people were taught to carry and use 
> their canes for certain things while working with their dogs. 
> Gradually that changed as infrastructure in the U.S. became more 
> predictable. I am told that in Europe it is still more common to see 
> people using their canes for specific things while working their dogs 
> but others may have different information.
>> 
>> Personally, I always try to carry a cane in my bag just in case I 
>> need it
> for some reason. Thanks for raising this interesting topic.
>> 
>> Melissa R. Allman
>> Senior Specialist, Advocacy and Government Relations The Seeing Eye, 
>> Inc.
>> P.O. Box 375, Morristown, NJ??07963-0375 (mail)
>> 1 Seeing Eye Way, Morristown, NJ??07960-3378 (deliveries)
>> 973-539-4425 ext. 1724,???????? Fax:?? 973-525-1081 
>> mallman at SeeingEye.org
>> 
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>> Dr.dbTarzan via
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>> Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 7:17 AM
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>> Subject: [NAGDU] Do you have a cane whet walking with a guide dog?
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>> My name is Tarzan from Japan.
>> 
>> I have a question.
>> 
>> Some users hava a cane when walking with a guide dog. Others not.
>> Do you have a cane in such situation?
>> 
>> 
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