[NAGDU] Question about Breeds
Charlene Ota
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Wed Mar 6 06:02:09 UTC 2019
Ditto about the speed of the little ones and the big ones being easy-going.
My boy was a big boy and he was the gentlest most patient dog I ever knew.
On the other hand, the shepherd I had from Seeing Eye many years ago was a
big boy, too, and he could move with the best of 'em but then I was a whole
lot younger and could keep u with him.
Also, it occurred to me, Sam, not only does size very, but when it comes to
the black and yellow labs it's a guessing game with color, you can't
determine the color of the litter, it's just whatever you get. Somehow in
all the years I've had dogs off and on, I never knew that until my last dog.
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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
Hi Sam.
All the breeds come in all sizes, from small to big, 40 pounds to 90.
Me, I prefer a smallish dog, because I work in an urban area, and I need a
dog who can easily fit into small, crowded spaces.
It's funny too--sometimes the little ones go like stinkum, and the big ones
just loaf along.
Tracy
> Thank you all for your input! In terms of size, which are some of the
> bigger breeds?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 5, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Debra Chandler via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Just a note to those of you who want a German shepherd as a guide. I
>> had a pet GSD who just passed away. I had her for eleven and a half
>> years and we were very close. She loved people but wasn't overly
>> fond of other dogs although she and my guide dog got along fine.
>> Anyway many people are absolutely terrified of German shepherds so if
>> you take cabs or Lift a lot be prepared. Drivers often won't take
>> you because they're so afraid of GSD's.
>> Deb and Tally
>> ---- Charlene Ota via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well, and then there's my friend who always has had dobies. When he
>>> got married, he had Jackie. They kept leaving lunch money on the
>>> table for the daughter for school and every day Trish would tell
>>> them there wasn't any money there. I can't remember how many days it
>>> took before they figured out who was eating the money! Sure enough,
>>> good old Jackie was the culprit!
>>> Now that Tim is older, I've tried hard to convince him to accept a
>>> lab but he just won't do it. Dobies are too high energy and he's not
>>> able to get out and work a lot now but misses having a dog terribly.
>>> He's had guide dogs since he was 8 or 9 years old. He is a good case
>>> in point that it does pay to be flexible and open-minded because
>>> they can't find him a dobie that is laid back enough for him now.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:38 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>
>>> I've had a Golden and Lab/Golden as guides, and a Lab/Golden guide
>>> dog dropout as a pet. All three dogs were what guide dog programs
>>> would consider a city dog. Both of the crosses were pretty much bomb
>>> proof.
>>> My one cross developed a thunder/firework phobia but literally could
>>> care less about anything else, so it's a little weird. Both crosses
>>> were very hard dogs, in the sense that even a strong correction on a
>>> prong wouldn't bother them much. The Golden is a bit more sensitive
>>> in a way. She is perfectly capable of handling pretty much anything
>>> I throw at her, and in fact I remember a member of the training
>>> staff remarking that she appears fearless. At the same time, she
>>> works in a martingale 95% of the time, is very in tune to changes in
>>> tone (high pitched tone gets her really excited and harsh tone works
>>> as well as a leash correction more often than not), and she flinches
>>> whenever she causes me to trip or bump into something. My cross was
>>> like "oh I guess I missed that" when we reworked an obstacle, while
>>> the Golden is like "OMG I'm so sorry that was my fault" instantly
>>> upon making the mistake.
>>>
>>> Both of my guides are very high energy, while the dropout was more
>>> laid back. All three dogs gravitate to water. My more Lab-like cross
>>> in fact will paw water out of water bowls, lay in puddles, and
>>> retrieve a toy in water for an hour or more without stopping. While
>>> all three dogs loved all people and liked as much physical contact
>>> with people as possible, the Golden is the only one who will seek
>>> out attention in public while working.
>>>
>>> Both crosses would eat anything that was offered. The more Lab-like
>>> cross in fact has a serious counter surfing/scavenging tendency. The
>>> Golden is quite food motivated as wel; however, not to the extent of
>>> the crosses. She refused to eat sometimes in the kennel, and she
>>> refused kibble rewards in some situations during the first few
>>> months I had her due to a combination of stress and excitement of
>>> the transition I think.
>>>
>>> Some other Golden tendencies include being vocal. Most Goldens and
>>> Golden crosses will have a whole assortment of growls, whines,
>>> groans, etc when they are excited, want something, or feel the need
>>> to tell you they are right and you are wrong. Goldens like to rest
>>> their heads on things, and they use their paws a lot. Lab hair coats
>>> everything in a blanket, but Golden hair clumps into giant hairballs
>>> floating around your house.
>>> Golden
>>> hair will collect snowballs and everything you never wanted to know
>>> was dropped on the floor under seats or tables.
>>>
>>> Danielle, Thai, and Jackie
>>>
>>>> On 3/4/19, Rox Homstad via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Jordan,
>>>> My lab, Soleil hates water also. Mostly she will try and guide me
>>>> around puddles or will stop and then jump over them and hold steady
>>>> while I step over. Buuuut last week, she walked me right through one.
>>>> We had been in New York where it snowed and then I was hospitalized
>>>> for a week, and she was really bored in the hospital that whole
>>>> time and so I swear she walked me through that puddle when I left
>>>> the hospital on purpose and then turned to me with this look on her
>>>> face that was clearly like "sorry not sorry." Just wait, I'm having
>>>> the last word, we're leaving for the frozen north and Canada in 4
>>>> days and so ... she's going to have to pee in the snow. Poor
>>>> little southern bell!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>> Soleil, Rowan
>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had a golden, and two labs, and I can tell you that they
>>>>> are or can be all different. My golden was as sweet as can be and
>>>>> liked being right in the middle of things. My first lab was hyper
>>>>> major but was eager to please when she was not being stubborn. My
>>>>> most recent dog was a lab and was as calm as could be but harder
>>>>> to get to do what I wanted him to do. Funny thing is that my
>>>>> second dog hated water with a passion while my first and third
>>>>> dogs would find every puddle to go play in if I let them. Lol.
>>>>> My girlfriend has a lab gold cross, and he has definite traits
>>>>> from both breeds mostly between my first and second dogs.
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sam Doman via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:50 PM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman <skdoman2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>
>>>>> Love it! How have your goldens been in terms of tempermant??
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, super cute! Thanks for the smile!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Janell and Miss Rosy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Madison
>>>>>> Martin via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 2:30 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Madison Martin <maddymartin at mymts.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sam and all, I'm a sucker for Goldens, but as long as I don't
>>>>>> get a Poodle then I really don't care. I don't want a Shepherd,
>>>>>> but luckily the schools that I'm interested in don't train German
>>>>>> Shepherds. Hope you get a guide dog soon! I saw this on a couple
>>>>>> of other guide dog lists; I don't know if it's of any help to
>>>>>> anyone, but I thought that you guys might find it funny. I don't
>>>>>> know where the other lists got it
>>>>> from though. Here it is:
>>>>>> Which Breed Is the Best Dog?
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers must be touching you at all times.
>>>>>> Labs want to touch you at all times.
>>>>>> German Shepherds have to see you
>>>>>> at all times.
>>>>>> If they had a job...
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers would be social workers.
>>>>>> Labs would be stand up comedians.
>>>>>> German Shepherds would be nannies.
>>>>>> If they
>>>>>> were religious:
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers must be Catholics; they understand the need to
>>>>>> confess their guilt.
>>>>>> Labs must be protestants, "What guilt?"
>>>>>> German Shepherds
>>>>>> must be agnostics, "I only did what was necessary."
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers need attention.
>>>>>> Labs want attention.
>>>>>> German Shepherds demand attention.
>>>>>> If Golden
>>>>>> Retrievers could talk, they would be constantly saying, "I love you!
>>>>>> I love you! And if you came home and found a broken lamp, they
>>>>>> would say, "I'm a bad dog! I must have broken it even if I was
>>>>>> outside the whole time! Oh No, you are unhappy!"
>>>>>> If Labs could talk, they would constantly be saying, "Love me!
>>>>>> Love Me!" And if you came home to find a broken lamp, they would
>>>>>> say, "Broken lamp? Yup, I was having tons of fun and I broke it!
>>>>>> Want to see me break the other one?"
>>>>>> If German Shepherds could talk they would be constantly saying,
>>>>>> "Where are you going, be careful! Let me help you with that!" And
>>>>>> if you came home to find a broken lamp, they would declare, I
>>>>>> told him not to do it, but the cat broke the lamp anyway!"
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers -- long hair- on your clothes, in your food, on
>>>>>> your couch, in your bed . everywhere!
>>>>>> Labs -short hair- on your clothes, in your food, on your couch,
>>>>>> in your bed.everywhere!
>>>>>> German Shepherds - multi-colored hair--on your clothes, in your
>>>>>> food, on your couch, in your bed.everywhere!
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers brush daily;
>>>>>> Labs blow their
>>>>>> coats at least twice a year, take them to a groomer for a bath
>>>>>> spring and fall, basically wash and wear. German Shepherds are
>>>>>> walking fur factories capable of creating huge dust bunnies that
>>>>>> are intelligent enough to hide until you put the vacuum cleaner away.
>>>>>> You might just consider giving these names and making them
>>>>>> members of
>>> the family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you guys think? Enjoy!!
>>>>>> Madison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: March-04-19 11:55 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are only 2 schools that have plenty of shepherds, The
>>>>>> Seeing Eye and Fidelco. Fidelco only has shepherds, and TSE has
>>>>>> about equal of the 3-4 breeds. Some other schools have a very
>>>>>> few shepherds, but, if that's what you really want, you should
>>>>>> probably look into a school that has them, or be prepared to wait
>>>>>> a while for one to come along that
>>>>> will suit you.
>>>>>> Cindy is totally right to point out that it's not just the breed;
>>>>>> the personality and the way the dog suits your needs is the big
>>>>>> thing. I had a lab who had many shepherd qualities, and another
>>>>>> who had many golden qualities. I expect there are sheppies who
>>>>>> are
>>> lab-like, too.
>>>>>> And that sets aside the lifestyle concerns. Do you need a dog
>>>>>> who loves the big city? That kind is usually bored crazy with a
>>>>>> quiet life. Or are you someone who lives in the country, and
>>>>>> walks 3 miles into
>>>>> town most days?
>>>>>> What do you want the dog to do for you? That's a rhetorical
>>>>>> question, but an important one.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>>> Doman via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 12:37 PM
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>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. I think that leader does. I know all about labs being
>>>>>> eaters, as I have a pet lab who constantly looks for food. I've
>>>>>> really been looking at goldens or german shepherds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sam.
>>>>>>> Do you get much choice at Leader? Many schools have mostly labs.
>>>>>>> Not a problem for me, though. I like labs a lot. They tend to
>>>>>>> be healthy, even-tempered, and adaptable to any situation. They
>>>>>>> can lie quietly in an office, or walk around all day. One thing
>>>>>>> about labs is they're not picky eaters. Or, looked at another
>>>>>>> way, they'll eat anything, any time, and sometimes it's not
>>>>>>> something you want them to
>>>>> eat.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>>>> Doman via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 12:16 PM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all. So as I may be getting a dog soon, I wanted to ask your
>>>>>>> alls opinion on the different breeds. What do you like about
>>>>>>> them, how are they with temperament? Thanks..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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