[NAGDU] Question about Breeds
Newton, Cherie
cnewton at itsmarta.com
Wed Mar 6 18:09:20 UTC 2019
Maybe that's why I prefer a larger dog-or part of the reason anyway. My first guide-all of mine have been GSDs, was 23" at the shoulder and weighed about 72lbs. My second was about 25.5" at the shoulder and weighed 85lbs. My current guide is 27" at the shoulder and weighs about 80lbs..
You can't control the wind, but you can adjust your sails
Cheers,
Cherie Newton & White Shepherd Guide Windy
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Tracy:
I also write a very detailed letter with my application. This helps the training staff to understand your needs as they match you up with a dog. I did request a female golden because they have been successful for me. As one trainer said to me why fool with something that has worked out so well
for so many years. I was very specific and got exactly what I needed. I
requested a small dog because all the Uber, Lyft, cabs and family cars are
very small. A larger dog would really have to struggle to fit. With
Eva's 54 pounds there are times when there just is not enough room for her on the floor of the back seat. Some people find a taller dog helps them with their balance.
Sandra and Eva
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
I think goldens and labs come in pretty much the same sizes.
If you really want a tall dog, you can say so before you go to class. I always write a letter with my application, giving as much detail about my life, as it pertains to my dogs, and my desires and dislikes for my next dog. I guess it comes to a page or 2.
Remember though that everything you say could be taken as a limit on your possible matches, and limiting by size seems irrelevant to me. But if you feel strongly about it, you should say so. I think, with my first dog, I left it up to the trainers, after telling them about my lifestyle. I did express a preference for a lab, but that was it. Having no experience of guide dogs at the time, I left it up to them to pick the dog they thought would suit me best. And she suited me very well.
Tracy
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
Just out of curiosity, what are the tallest breeds in terms of retrievers?
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> On Mar 5, 2019, at 12:11 PM, Julie Johnson via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Do you mean bigger as in height or weight? Labs tend to be heavier,
> while
GSD's and Dobermans are taller. I make harnesses, so get quite a lot of
dog measurements. They all run to a wide range from 45 to 90 pounds and 20 to 28 inches tall. Fidelco seems to have the most consistency with their GSD's being 24 to 26 tall and 65 to 75 pounds. They only have the one breed and were a breeding program before they were a guide program, if my memory serves me correctly. Most of the programs seem to be putting out more and more dogs on the smaller side. That's likely because they are easier for people to get into small spaces. Tall dogs can curl up and do a good job at staying out of the way, but you can't defy the laws of physics. A 90 pound dog simply takes up more space than a 45 pound dog. Big dogs also eat more, which costs more. Vet costs will also be more because many medications are based on weight.
>
> If this will be your first dog, I wouldn't get too picky about breed.
Explain to the program in as much detail as you can about what you do on a regular basis. It's also good to be clear about what behaviors are going to drive you nuts and what you can live with. I'm talking about things like, scrounging for food, vocalizations, chewing, antagonizing cats in your home, interest in wildlife and so on. Someone who lives in New York City is probably not going to care about the dog's interest in wildlife because they aren't going to run into all that much of it, but for me this is a big deal.
I'm not fussed about my dogs barking at the door when people come over, but
a lot of people want zero barking. If you live in an apartment it's
probably more important to you and definitely more important to your neighbors. These kinds of things are possible in all breeds, but the program will know the dogs and which ones are prone to what behaviors. Once you gain some dog experience and ha ve a much clearer idea of what is possible, then you might want to spend the extra time to wait for your breed preference.
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> -----Original Message----- From: Sam Doman via NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 11:38 AM
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> Cc: Sam Doman
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>
> Thank you all for your input! In terms of size, which are some of the
bigger breeds?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 5, 2019, at 8:39 AM, Debra Chandler via NAGDU
>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>
>> Just a note to those of you who want a German shepherd as a guide. I
>> had
a pet GSD who just passed away. I had her for eleven and a half years and we were very close. She loved people but wasn't overly fond of other dogs although she and my guide dog got along fine. Anyway many people are absolutely terrified of German shepherds so if you take cabs or Lift a lot be prepared. Drivers often won't take you because they're so afraid of GSD's.
>> Deb and Tally
>> ---- Charlene Ota via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well, and then there's my friend who always has had dobies. When he
>>> got married, he had Jackie. They kept leaving lunch money on the
>>> table for
the
>>> daughter for school and every day Trish would tell them there wasn't
>>> any money there. I can't remember how many days it took before they
>>> figured
out
>>> who was eating the money! Sure enough, good old Jackie was the culprit!
>>> Now that Tim is older, I've tried hard to convince him to accept a
>>> lab
but
>>> he just won't do it. Dobies are too high energy and he's not able to
>>> get
out
>>> and work a lot now but misses having a dog terribly. He's had guide
>>> dogs since he was 8 or 9 years old. He is a good case in point that
>>> it does
pay
>>> to be flexible and open-minded because they can't find him a dobie
>>> that
is
>>> laid back enough for him now.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Danielle Sykora
>>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 5:38 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Danielle Sykora <dsykora29 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>
>>> I've had a Golden and Lab/Golden as guides, and a Lab/Golden guide
>>> dog dropout as a pet. All three dogs were what guide dog programs
>>> would
consider
>>> a city dog. Both of the crosses were pretty much bomb proof.
>>> My one cross developed a thunder/firework phobia but literally could
care
>>> less about anything else, so it's a little weird. Both crosses were
>>> very hard dogs, in the sense that even a strong correction on a
>>> prong
wouldn't
>>> bother them much. The Golden is a bit more sensitive in a way. She
>>> is perfectly capable of handling pretty much anything I throw at
>>> her, and
in
>>> fact I remember a member of the training staff remarking that she
appears
>>> fearless. At the same time, she works in a martingale 95% of the
>>> time,
is
>>> very in tune to changes in tone (high pitched tone gets her really
excited
>>> and harsh tone works as well as a leash correction more often than
>>> not),
and
>>> she flinches whenever she causes me to trip or bump into something.
>>> My
cross
>>> was like "oh I guess I missed that" when we reworked an obstacle,
>>> while
the
>>> Golden is like "OMG I'm so sorry that was my fault" instantly upon
making
>>> the mistake.
>>>
>>> Both of my guides are very high energy, while the dropout was more
>>> laid back. All three dogs gravitate to water. My more Lab-like cross
>>> in fact
will
>>> paw water out of water bowls, lay in puddles, and retrieve a toy in
water
>>> for an hour or more without stopping. While all three dogs loved all
people
>>> and liked as much physical contact with people as possible, the
>>> Golden
is
>>> the only one who will seek out attention in public while working.
>>>
>>> Both crosses would eat anything that was offered. The more Lab-like
cross in
>>> fact has a serious counter surfing/scavenging tendency. The Golden
>>> is
quite
>>> food motivated as wel; however, not to the extent of the crosses.
>>> She refused to eat sometimes in the kennel, and she refused kibble
>>> rewards
in
>>> some situations during the first few months I had her due to a
combination
>>> of stress and excitement of the transition I think.
>>>
>>> Some other Golden tendencies include being vocal. Most Goldens and
Golden
>>> crosses will have a whole assortment of growls, whines, groans, etc
>>> when they are excited, want something, or feel the need to tell you
>>> they are right and you are wrong. Goldens like to rest their heads
>>> on things, and they use their paws a lot. Lab hair coats everything
>>> in a blanket, but Golden hair clumps into giant hairballs floating around your house.
Golden
>>> hair will collect snowballs and everything you never wanted to know
>>> was dropped on the floor under seats or tables.
>>>
>>> Danielle, Thai, and Jackie
>>>
>>>> On 3/4/19, Rox Homstad via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Jordan,
>>>> My lab, Soleil hates water also. Mostly she will try and guide me
>>>> around puddles or will stop and then jump over them and hold steady
>>>> while I step over. Buuuut last week, she walked me right through one.
>>>> We had been in New York where it snowed and then I was hospitalized
>>>> for a week, and she was really bored in the hospital that whole
>>>> time and so I swear she walked me through that puddle when I left
>>>> the hospital on purpose and then turned to me with this look on her
>>>> face that was clearly like "sorry not sorry." Just wait, I'm having
>>>> the last word, we're leaving for the frozen north and Canada in 4
>>>> days and so ... she's going to have to pee in the snow. Poor
>>>> little southern
bell!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Rox'E and the Kitchen Bitches
>>>> Soleil, Rowan
>>>> pawpower4me at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 3:48 PM, Jordan Gallacher via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I have had a golden, and two labs, and I can tell you that they
>>>>> are or can be all different. My golden was as sweet as can be and
>>>>> liked being right in the middle of things. My first lab was hyper
>>>>> major but was eager to please when she was not being stubborn. My
>>>>> most recent dog was a lab and was as calm as could be but harder
>>>>> to get to do what I wanted him to do. Funny thing is that my
>>>>> second dog hated water with a passion while my first and third
>>>>> dogs would find every puddle to go play in if I let them. Lol.
>>>>> My girlfriend has a lab gold cross, and he has definite traits
>>>>> from both breeds mostly between my first and second dogs.
>>>>> Jordan
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sam Doman via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 3:50 PM
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>>>>> Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman <skdoman2001 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>
>>>>> Love it! How have your goldens been in terms of tempermant??
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 2:44 PM, Janell via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oh, super cute! Thanks for the smile!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Janell and Miss Rosy!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Madison
>>>>>> Martin via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 4, 2019 2:30 PM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Madison Martin <maddymartin at mymts.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Sam and all, I'm a sucker for Goldens, but as long as I don't
>>>>>> get a Poodle then I really don't care. I don't want a Shepherd,
>>>>>> but luckily the schools that I'm interested in don't train German
>>>>>> Shepherds. Hope you get a guide dog soon! I saw this on a couple
>>>>>> of other guide dog lists; I don't know if it's of any help to
>>>>>> anyone, but I thought that you guys might find it funny. I don't
>>>>>> know where the other lists got it
>>>>> from though. Here it is:
>>>>>> Which Breed Is the Best Dog?
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers must be touching you at all times.
>>>>>> Labs want to touch you at all times.
>>>>>> German Shepherds have to see you
>>>>>> at all times.
>>>>>> If they had a job...
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers would be social workers.
>>>>>> Labs would be stand up comedians.
>>>>>> German Shepherds would be nannies.
>>>>>> If they
>>>>>> were religious:
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers must be Catholics; they understand the need to
>>>>>> confess their guilt.
>>>>>> Labs must be protestants, "What guilt?"
>>>>>> German Shepherds
>>>>>> must be agnostics, "I only did what was necessary."
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers need attention.
>>>>>> Labs want attention.
>>>>>> German Shepherds demand attention.
>>>>>> If Golden
>>>>>> Retrievers could talk, they would be constantly saying, "I love you!
>>>>>> I love you! And if you came home and found a broken lamp, they
>>>>>> would say, "I'm a bad dog! I must have broken it even if I was
>>>>>> outside the whole time! Oh No, you are unhappy!"
>>>>>> If Labs could talk, they would constantly be saying, "Love me!
>>>>>> Love Me!" And if you came home to find a broken lamp, they would
>>>>>> say, "Broken lamp? Yup, I was having tons of fun and I broke it!
>>>>>> Want to see me break the other one?"
>>>>>> If German Shepherds could talk they would be constantly saying,
>>>>>> "Where are you going, be careful! Let me help you with that!" And
>>>>>> if you came home to find a broken lamp, they would declare, I
>>>>>> told him not to do it, but the cat broke the lamp anyway!"
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers -- long hair- on your clothes, in your food, on
>>>>>> your couch, in your bed . everywhere!
>>>>>> Labs -short hair- on your clothes, in your food, on your couch,
>>>>>> in your bed.everywhere!
>>>>>> German Shepherds - multi-colored hair--on your clothes, in your
>>>>>> food, on your couch, in your bed.everywhere!
>>>>>> Golden Retrievers brush daily;
>>>>>> Labs blow their
>>>>>> coats at least twice a year, take them to a groomer for a bath
>>>>>> spring and fall, basically wash and wear. German Shepherds are
>>>>>> walking fur factories capable of creating huge dust bunnies that
>>>>>> are intelligent enough to hide until you put the vacuum cleaner away.
>>>>>> You might just consider giving these names and making them
>>>>>> members of
>>> the family.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What do you guys think? Enjoy!!
>>>>>> Madison
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Tracy
>>>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: March-04-19 11:55 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are only 2 schools that have plenty of shepherds, The
>>>>>> Seeing Eye and Fidelco. Fidelco only has shepherds, and TSE has
>>>>>> about equal of the 3-4 breeds. Some other schools have a very
>>>>>> few shepherds, but, if that's what you really want, you should
>>>>>> probably look into a school that has them, or be prepared to wait
>>>>>> a while for one to come along that
>>>>> will suit you.
>>>>>> Cindy is totally right to point out that it's not just the breed;
>>>>>> the personality and the way the dog suits your needs is the big
>>>>>> thing. I had a lab who had many shepherd qualities, and another
>>>>>> who had many golden qualities. I expect there are sheppies who
>>>>>> are
>>> lab-like, too.
>>>>>> And that sets aside the lifestyle concerns. Do you need a dog
>>>>>> who loves the big city? That kind is usually bored crazy with a
>>>>>> quiet life. Or are you someone who lives in the country, and
>>>>>> walks 3 miles into
>>>>> town most days?
>>>>>> What do you want the dog to do for you? That's a rhetorical
>>>>>> question, but an important one.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>>> Doman via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 12:37 PM
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>>>>> Users
>>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yeah. I think that leader does. I know all about labs being
>>>>>> eaters, as I have a pet lab who constantly looks for food. I've
>>>>>> really been looking at goldens or german shepherds.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Mar 4, 2019, at 11:28 AM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Sam.
>>>>>>> Do you get much choice at Leader? Many schools have mostly labs.
>>>>>>> Not a problem for me, though. I like labs a lot. They tend to
>>>>>>> be healthy, even-tempered, and adaptable to any situation. They
>>>>>>> can lie quietly in an office, or walk around all day. One thing
>>>>>>> about labs is they're not picky eaters. Or, looked at another
>>>>>>> way, they'll eat anything, any time, and sometimes it's not
>>>>>>> something you want them to
>>>>> eat.
>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam
>>>>>>> Doman via NAGDU
>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 12:16 PM
>>>>>>> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> Cc: Sam Doman
>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Question about Breeds
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey all. So as I may be getting a dog soon, I wanted to ask your
>>>>>>> alls opinion on the different breeds. What do you like about
>>>>>>> them, how are they with temperament? Thanks..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>> Doolus&e= To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your
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>>> = To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>> for
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