[NAGDU] Ellie

Tue Aug 11 04:58:08 UTC 2020

Hi, Danielle, if you use the relieving belt, I'd try to get the dog used to
it before I ever used it the way I had to use it with Irish that one time.
You don't want the dog to dislike the belt or have a bad experience. Just my
thoughts.

Charlene

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Cc: Danielle Ledet <singingmywayin at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ellie

Hey Paul,
Ellie and I have been matched since Feb. 5 of this year. No she doesn't seem
to have any other problems or distractions. If we haven't been on a route in
a litlle while she will miss down curbs sometimes but generally seems happy
to work. She never refuses the harness and the tail wags whenever I put it
on. So sorry your dog did not work out.

Thanks tracy for your support. Oh yes, we have plenty of bags.....from a few
different brands! LOL! I have a dispenser on her harness and also one on her
leash. It's moreso a a poop problem! I'm thinking it's a stress reaction.
She otherwise has no issues. She eats well, parks well and as expected and
plays and is pretty chill.

Danielle, thanks. Sounds like Victor Performance should b e good then.
No corn, wheat or soy. Only 3% fiber too.Any particular breand name
probiotic I can look for? I am also ordering some American Journey Wild
Alaskan Salmon Oil to add for Omeg-3 fatty acids. Victor only has Omeg-6's
and this is supossed to help with shedding. those are my nly
2 issues with her the pooping in harness and the heavy shedding. I have
enough hair after vacuuming to make a snowball. LOL! and this is everyday
even after Furminating her every other day and brushing the other days.

Charlene, I might try a relieving belt if nothing else works. Ellie di do
that 2 or 3 times during training but it was picked up and no big deal made
about it.

Cherie, if Victor doesn
't work after a couple of months; it has chicken pork, and beef meal in it,
I'll look into another protein source such as lamb or beef or bison or
venison. That would be a new route for me.

Thanks everyone for your contributions. Now I know that I'm not alone in
this.

On 8/10/20, Newton, Cherie via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Windy, my 3rd guide, a white shepherd was prone-especially at first to 
> poop in harness. I soon found out she had a chicken allergy so switched
her food.
> That seemed to take care of it.
>
> My 4th and current guide Astrid, from TSE never did it in harness 
> until I'd switched her to what Windy was eating, Taste of the Wild 
> Lamb & Rice. Then her stool was much softer, larger and sloppy. Since 
> Astrid had been on Purina ProPlan at TSE, I switched her and Windy to
Purina One Lamb & Rice.
> Almost immediately after that, Astrid's output was about a 3rd the 
> size, very well formed and solid. The in-harness stuff stopped and all 
> is well in my dogs' world!!!
>
> Cherie
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Charlene 
> Ota via NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 11:27 AM
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> Cc: Charlene Ota <caota4 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ellie
>
> After I got home from training with my guide Irish, he started pooping 
> on route, too, and even if I gave him the chance to relieve before we 
> started out, he'd do that. It seemed like there was nothing I could do 
> to convince him I didn't appreciate it! I used a relieving harness 
> with him all the time and so I finally decided I was going to put that 
> on him if I sensed he was going to poop. He did it about the same time 
> every day and I could feel when he was about to do so, too, just by 
> his body movement or something. So, one day much to his mortification, 
> I left his poop bag on him and he had to walk down the street like 
> that. I could tell when we got to the bus stop that he almost pooped 
> in the bag as there was just a little tiny bit, more you could smell 
> it than anything, but it's like he must have changed his mind as he'd 
> be dragging it behind him. However, after that, he would stop and pull 
> over to the grass and let me put his poop bag on him. If I ever felt 
> like he might revert back, I'd carry his bag in my right hand and 
> crinkle it and talk to him as he was a dog that was very responsive to 
> my voice. But I think he must have just been one of those dogs that 
> liked to poop while he walked. Of course, he never did such things 
> while we were in training or if there was a trainer around! (grins!) I 
> remember the first time he pulled over to the grass after that time I made
him walk with his poop bag, he was so excited, like he knew he was doing the
right thing now!
>
> Charlene
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Monday, August 10, 2020 9:22 AM
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> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Ellie
>
> Hi Danielle.
> I'm sorry to hear about this.  I know you waited a long time to get 
> your dog, and I wish it would have been as close to perfect as it gets.
> Is this a pee problem, or a poop problem?  My dog has had urinary 
> issues for a long time, which are controllable by medication, water 
> management, and frequent outings.  It's not ideal, but it's manageable.
> He also is a dog who is stimulated to poop by walking, and it's not 
> unusual for him to go on route.  And, to my mortification, he did poop 
> in the bus terminal once, so you're not alone in that misery.  My only 
> consolation was that he's probably not the only creature to have done 
> so, and I was able to clean it up and dispose of it neatly.  But still.
> It's possible that a change of food will help.  Don't panic until 
> she's been on the new food for at least a few weeks.
> I think grain-free might create less poop, but I'm not sure about 
> that.  It did seem to make Krokus's a lot less soft.
> If the food change doesn't help, then, as someone else said, it might 
> be stress, and that's a lot harder to fix.
> Good luck, always have a baggy handy, and keep us posted.
> Tracy
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Ledet via NAGDU
> Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2020 4:42 PM
> To: nagdu at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Danielle Ledet
> Subject: [NAGDU] Ellie
>
> This is quite an embarrassing problem to have. Good thing most of our 
> walks are outdoors! I do not know what's going on with Ellie, but I 
> have tried the things recommended by my trainer and treating for the 
> right behavior seemed to work for a while. Ever since we came home 
> Ellie has consistently relieved herself in harness. Mostly it is once 
> during a trip but could be twice at times. She had started pulling me 
> toward the grass which is preferable but she never truly generalized 
> it to other routes. Her usual MO is to just stop and dump or squat. No 
> warning! It was suggested that I play with her and get her running 
> before going out to park, but after 10 minutes of this and then 
> parking, she just stands there in one spot or sniffs around and does 
> nothing. It is hard to predict when she nedds to stop because she 
> doesn't act differently other than to hang her head a little lower but 
> not always. I have had trips where she dumps on the first part of the 
> route, then squats on the second part even after I have just parked her
before starting to walk and she did her #2 successfully. It is formed but
usually a very soft lump.
> Once she even pooped in Walmart!
> I have parked her after a couple of blocks but she'll either go and 
> then go again in harness or not go and then go in harness. My other 2 
> dogs never did this! I do not know what else to do and have put in a 
> call to Guiding Eyes on Friday.  Even just walking in the complex to 
> the back where the office is she will do this. We are 55 and older and 
> disabled folks who live here so not a busy place at all. It is not her 
> food because it was the same on Hill 's Science Diet Chicken and 
> Barley, now she is on Purina One Smart Blend Chicken and Rice, and 
> when we are near done we'll be switching to Victor Performance. Any
thoughts?
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