[NAGDU] Why I feel dog ownership is important
Sharon S
koala at areujoking.com
Thu Dec 17 10:37:20 UTC 2020
Hi, I made the decision to retire Rolo before the school did it. He wasn't
keen to get into harness and he was making silly mistakes which cause
injuries to me.
I only had Rolo for five years at the time I made the decision because he
had a previous owner. The trainer who came to see me about retiring Rolo was
one who hadn't delt with us before. He obviously saw from our file that we
had been together for five years, so he was unsure about retirement. He
asked how old Rolo was and when I said he was ten he seemed surprised. After
that he was in total agreement that I retire him, and it was done on the
spot. I put my name down at the same time for a new dog, but it has taken
over twelve months for them to find the right dog. I have some mobility
issues so finding the right dog does take a bit longer then normal. Plus the
school had to be shut down over the peak of the virus so there were no dogs
going out to new homes at this time.
Bye for now.
>From Shaz.
Canberra, Australia.
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Why I feel dog ownership is important
Brent,
If it is your decision to retire your dog, we support you. If it
were only because of some arbitrary age mandate from a training program, I
would support your refusal to retire your dog. After all, we whom have
worked our dogs and had a close relationship with them for the past nine
years have a greater interest and greater insight into our dogs than a
training program which likely has not seen the dog over the same nine years!
As for purchasing another harness, Julie Johnson is on this list and
likely has just what you need!
Marion
Marion Gwizdala
(813) 626-2789
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From: Brent Franklin [mailto:bfranklin at woolworths.com.au]
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Subject: RE: [NAGDU] Why I feel dog ownership is important
Hello Marion,
My dog is fine to continue working, but I get the feeling strongly that he
won't be for long. The old boy is almost starting to slow down, the time is
right, I could get another 12 months work out of him, but I don't think that
is fair on him. He currently isn't putting a foot wrong, but I know the
signs it won't be long befor he starts to skip a beat.
In saying that, I'd be interested in purchasing a different harness for my
new dog when it arrives, I have no interest in a leather harness.
Cheers.
Brent.
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Brent,
Do you feel your dog is ready to retire? If not, one option is to
return the harness to them and purchase another harness. If they attempt to
repossess your dog, because you are still working it, perhaps we need to
have a conversation about this.
Fraternally yours,
Marion
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Hello,
My boy turns 11 this coming Thursday. He is still working but I am going to
have to get another dog soon. I had a follow up last Thursday night, and it
is felt in the next 12 months he will retire.
Yes it is true, they have decided to charge a fee for retired dogs. Being
the handler if I took ownership I don't have to pay a fee, so by doing this
I've avoided the people who are going to take him being charged anything as
I can just hand him straight over.
Cheers.
Brent.
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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Why I feel dog ownership is important
You would be charged a fee just to retire your dog, and you didn't have to
pay anything to get him?
Oh my goodness.
I am so pleased he is turning 11.
Does he still work for you?
Thanks for sharing.
Dar
Original message:
> Hello Sharon and all,
> Absolutely fantastic to see you posting here Sharon, I know you have
> plenty to contribute.
> Sharon and I have dogs from the same school. I have only in the past 2
> weeks gone over my contract in major detail. My dog while still
> working
is
> coming up to retire. The contract does state that up until the age of
> 5 the school owns the dog, but once the dog turns 5 the client can
> fill
out
> forms and take ownership of the dog.
> I took ownership of my dog on Friday and he will turn 11 years of age
this
> Thursday. My reason for taking ownership is because I have a home for
him
> to retire to, and the school has started charging a fee for people to
get
> retired dogs. Me taking ownership means two things.
> 1, I have now complete say in what happens to the dog when he retires.
> While generally if you had arranged a home for the dog the school
wouldn't
> object, but they had to sign off on it, which means they could object.
> 2, The school is now charging people a fee for retired guides. Me
> taking ownership means no fee needs to be paid. Clients of the school
> can take ownership of there dog for free.
> I disagree with the school charging a fee, my boy is going to a good
home,
> therefore I now have complete say on where he is going to live, and
> have avoided any charges being passed on to the people who are going
> to take very good care of him.
> Cheers.
> Brent.
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> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sharon S
> via NAGDU
> Sent: Saturday, 5 December 2020 1:19 AM
> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> Cc: Sharon S
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Why I feel dog ownership is important
> Hi all, I have been following this discussion with interest. The
> school
I
> use do remain the owner of the dogs but I have never felt the need to
see
> if this can be changed. My recent dog is the only one I have needed to
> worry about it for and that was only after I retired him. I received
Rolo
> at an older age because he had a previous owner. The school told me
> his previous handler died and the family handed him back to the
> school. I
have
> no reason not to believe this and he showed no signs of abuse when I
> got him. The only problem he had was some separation anxiety and that
> was understandable. He lost his owner, got taken to the local branch
> of the school, they had him for awhile before deciding they didn't
> have a suitable handler for him. Then he was sent to the head centre
> and put
out
> to a carer until he was matched with me. He then came to me for one
night
> to give us a test run. He then went back to the carer for a short time
and
> then bought back to live with me. For the first little while if I left
him
> in my room while I went to the bathroom he would cry. Over time this
> became less of a problem and now he is retired he doesn't worry about
> where I am. However, he does come and greet me when I come home but
> he
is
> happy enough watching me when I leave the house.
> I was the one who made the decision to retire Rolo because he didn't
> appear to be enjoying work anymore and he was making mistakes that
> cause some falls for me. It will be interesting when I get my next dog
> if when Rolo sees the harness weather he will line up to put it on or
> maybe he will understand this younger dog has come to take over the
> job and he
will
> just relax. It has been over a year since he retired but some times
> when
I
> am about to go out somewhere Rolo will come to me and ask me to let
> him outside to toilet like we use to do when he was working.
> I would have to dig out one of my old contracts to see exactly what
> they say about ownership but I seem to remember it said something
> about the school owning the dog for the first five years and after
> that the
handler
> can request ownership but I might be remembering wrong because it has
been
> quite some time since I read it.
> I did meet one dog that had been taken back but that was because the
> handler's partner was hitting the dog so I understand that one. But I
> haven't heard of any others besides ones that fail working with a
person.
> Bye for now.
>> From Shaz.
> Canberra, Australia.
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