[NAGDU] {Spam?} RE: NAGDU's Response to New Airline Regulations (was Re: doggy repo)
Jordan Gallacher
jordangandoliver at gmail.com
Fri Mar 12 17:12:42 UTC 2021
Then be transparent about what you are doing and not keep it a secret.
Jordan
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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Stacie Gallegos via NAGDU
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2021 12:32 PM
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Cc: Stacie Gallegos <shardy at nfbtx.org>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] NAGDU's Response to New Airline Regulations (was Re: doggy repo)
Hello all,
I will be making another post regarding a different matter later. However, I’d like to address the question which has ben posed here. NAGDU is most definitely working on the recent ACAA ruling. I don’t believe that we need to be made aware of everything that is happening. When things are in place, I have no doubt that we will be given the necessary information. Just because something does not happen instantly, does not mean that the issue is not being addressed. Kind regards.
—
Stacie Gallegos
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"Live the life you want: Blindness is not what holds you back”
> On Mar 9, 2021, at 6:19 PM, Michael Forzano via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Kevan,
>
> I would love to know what the board is doing. In particular the
> implementation of these new airline regulations has been quite frankly
> a disaster. The best implementation has been Alaska with their
> web-based form but even that process is confusing at best. I think we
> should be very concerned about the difficulty of navigating the
> process especially for those who are not as tech savvy as some of us.
>
> I have seen some emails requesting feedback on the accessibility of
> the forms, but why are we not going a step further? The DOT
> regulations state that airlines can ask for the form but are not
> required to do so. Have we met with airlines and encouraged them to
> exempt guide dog users from filling out the form? I know that we have
> had productive relationships with airlines in the past, in particular
> I believe it was in 2018 that NAGDU met withh Delta and was able to
> convince them to reconsider a change in policy that would have required us to check in early and provide documentation.
>
> I want to of course give Raul and the board the benefit of the doubt,
> but from my perspective it looks as if not much action is being taken
> on some important issues. I'm not sure if this is actually the case,
> or if there is a lack of communication by the board. However I am
> clearly not the only one who feels this way, as a long-time leader in
> the organization felt compelled to resign which is no small deal.
>
> - Mike
>
> On Tue, Mar 9, 2021 at 7:05 PM Kevan Worley via NAGDU
> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> I have seen the new president and the board taking a number of steps
>> to research and really get their arms around this challenging issue.
>> And I think they have interviewed some of the people involved in this
>> unfortunate and unacceptable situation. It is unfortunate and
>> unacceptable. If, it is as related, portrayed. And it likely is. I am
>> not on the national board for national Association of guide dog
>> users. But I am the president of the Colorado Association of guide
>> dog users. And I think we are all very very comfortable with the
>> current direction of the division. I have great confidence in Raul
>> and his leader ship and the team he is building. I think there are a
>> number of important issues that face the organization in the third
>> decade of the 21st-century. Certainly, I know how near and dear guide dog ownership is to folks. But access to air travel on terms of equality.
>> Monitoring guide dog training schools. Making sure that training
>> centers allow students to use their guide dogs as well as to ensure
>> that training schools such as Colorado Louisiana etc. actually teach
>> their students some of the advantages and disadvantages of guide dog.
>> To be done. And I think the unreasonable removal of a guide dog is an important part of our work.
>> And we have resolutions on the matter. But, the whole issue around
>> guide dog ownership be our most important priority. In my view. It is
>> one of a number of important priorities. It is really a terrible terrible thing.
>> It’s really a sad thing when a long time leader chooses to resign
>> from our Federation family. I just feel terrible about it. On the
>> other hand, sometimes people need to do what they need to do. And I
>> feel very confident that the new administration and other members are
>> doing some outstanding work! This whole guide dog matters training
>> each month. Wonderful programs so far. Thank you Stacey and Michael
>> and team. This Thursday National Federation of the Blind of Colorado,
>> Colorado Association of guide dog users, Colorado Center for the
>> Blind and National Association of guide dog users are holding a comma
>> know your rights, mountain time at five. We hope you’ll join us. Lots
>> of great work getting done by the entire Federation family. And, not
>> only that, rock ‘n’ roll is here to stay. Stay safe everyone and thanks to all for your support, commitment and leader ship.
>> And let’s go build the national Federation of the blind
>>
>> At Your Service,
>> Kevan Worley
>>
>>> On Mar 9, 2021, at 2:44 PM, Mike Hingson via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> That is what a resolution is supposed to be about. The resolutions
>>> are,
>> as stated every year, the policy of the organization. If the
>> president and other leaders do not follow through then they should
>> not be leading the organization.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of marianne denning via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:57 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users' <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: marianne at denningweb.com
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>
>>> While I believe writing a resolution and passing it is a great idea
>>> it
>> is meaningless unless we put the power of the NFB behind it.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mike Hingson via
>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:10 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users' <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: mike at michaelhingson.com; 'Tracy Carcione' <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>
>>> All,
>>>
>>> Part of the difficulty here is within our own organization. Do we
>>> have
>> the commitment to, organizationally speaking, take a stand against
>> such things as what happened to this lady? Are we finally ready to
>> take a stand against schools retaining ownership and thus demeaning
>> all of us? Are we ready to recognize that instead of being beholding
>> to guide dog schools and giving them passes when they misbehave as
>> may have happened with South Eastern we are ready to recognize that
>> guide dog schools are providing a service and that they do not own us?
>>>
>>> In the past, debates concerning guide dog schools have come up on
>>> the
>> National convention floor amidst fierce debate due to people feeling
>> we should have gratitude toward guide dog schools and not holding
>> these schools to a higher standard.
>>>
>>> NAGDU as a division of the NFB should step in and lead a real effort
>>> to
>> bring about change in the attitudes toward blind people by guide dog
>> schools. This does include real dog ownership, trust of clients and a
>> real appeals process if there is a dispute between schools and
>> clients. As we are seeing with other aspects of our movement today,
>> we should be supporting the lady involved. The school is NOT going to
>> provide NAGDU with any more information than it has provided in the
>> past. Has NAGDU reached out to the lady who unexpected and,
>> apparently, unreasonably had her guide removed? A "neutral
>> investigation" is fine, but there is nothing wrong with starting by accepting the word of the victim here and going on from there.
>> South Eastern has a track record of improper treatment of others whom
>> it says mistreated guide dogs.
>>>
>>> NAGDU is a consumer organization and should therefore start by
>>> accepting
>> the word of the consumer and going from there. This situation is not
>> a new one. NAGDU should be on the front line in working hard and
>> publicly for change. Raul, we have a National convention coming up.
>> I'm happy to help you write a resolution defining Federation policy
>> for this. Also, I would hope you would be addressing this with
>> President Riccobono and getting lawyers involved and reversing this
>> kind of action. This is what you signed up for when you accepted the
>> presidency. You do have our support. If people won't support you if
>> you take the actions I submitted here then shame on them. Either we
>> fight for the rights of blind people or we stop complaining. It really is that simple.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 6:33 AM
>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>>> Users' <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>
>>> I think we should do something more immediate, like help Rev. Blake
>> appeal the seizure of her dog. Assuming Southeastern has some kind
>> of appeal process, if only on paper.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody
>>> ianuzzi
>> via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2021 9:12 AM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>
>>> This story is horrifying! There is no way that I would give up a dog
>> without a fight. I would go back in my house and lock the door and
>> tell them they have to take legal action. I would go to the media and
>> any other means available! There was no way that I would handover my
>> dog under these circumstances!
>>>
>>> I am so glad I got my dog from a School the grant full ownership to
>>> the
>> handler when they graduate!
>>>
>>> I think we have to get the word out and perhaps people will no
>>> longer
>> apply to southeastern for a dog. See how they handle the situation
>> when they have no applicants!
>>>
>>> JODY
>>>
>>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
>>>
>>>
>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO
>>> BARRIERS
>> Erik Weihenmayer
>>>
>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 10:56 PM, Susan Jones via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Repossessing a dog at that age is CRIMINAL!
>>>> And to think they charge $5,000 for a dog that old, a dog that will
>>>> most probably have health problems that need attention, and
>>>> possibly bonding and fear issues from being separated from a
>>>> handler they have
>> loved for so long!
>>>>
>>>> Criminal!
>>>> Susan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sandra Johnson
>>>> via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 12:45 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Sandra Johnson <sljohnson25 at comcast.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>>
>>>> Marion:
>>>>
>>>> No wonder they want their grads to retire their dogs when they turn
>>>> 11 years old, Every dog returned to them is another $5,000 in
>>>> their
>> pockets.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Marion
>>>> Gwizdala, via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 11:55 AM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Marion Gwizdala, <blind411 at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>>
>>>> Richard,
>>>>
>>>> You ask, "what in the world does a guide dog school do with a five
>>>> or six-year-old dog they have taken from a handler?" Well, since
>>>> this dog in question was nearly ten years old, it furthers begs the
>>>> question. The answer is they adopt it out for $5,000.
>>>> https://www.guidedogs.org/public-adoption/),Marion Gwizdala
>>>>
>>>> Marion Gwizdala
>>>> (813) 626-2789
>>>> Blind411 at verizon.net
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Richard via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 10:09 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: richardfiorello716 at gmail.com
>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] doggy repo
>>>>
>>>> This brings up a few rather interesting questions. What in the
>>>> world does a school do with a five or six year old dog that they
>>>> have taken from a handler? Apparently if the dog is under three
>>>> there is demand and maybe money from fire departments and similar
>>>> organizations. The one dog that I had to send back the school very
>>>> much insisted that he come back prior to three years old and he
>>>> went into the bomb sniffing
>> business.
>>>>
>>>> As for gdf please understand I have never contacted the school and
>>>> have zero first hand knowledge about their program. When attending
>>>> another program a class member was a former gdf graduate. For the
>>>> entire time I was there he kept saying that veterans get the good
>>>> dogs and blind people get the left overs. The only thing that gets
>>>> me curious is that I am sure that VA pays a school for whatever
>>>> dogs they are taking ownership of. Has anyone else felt this to be
>>>> the case or
>> was this gentlemen just handing out bad information.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
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