[NAGDU] Uber cancels again

[Al Sten-Clanton]

Well, our AG's office actually took up the case for us, and I heard 
nothing about criminal penalties.  As I recall, the case was brought 
under both Massachusetts law and the ADA.


Best!

Al


On 8/12/22 09:41, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU wrote:
> No, it was not a civil matter! Chances are that your state statute covers the public access issue as well as the ADA. Many lawn Forssman people think that it is simply a civil matter when it is not
>
> JODY
>
> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>
>
> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
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> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer
>
>> On Aug 12, 2022, at 8:36 AM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> It wasn't uber or Lyft, but when the Fung Wah bus company refused to take me because of my guide dog, the cops did come, but said they couldn't force Fung Wah to take me because it was a civil law matter.  During the wonderful and exciting case that arose from this, I never heard that the cops could have done more.  One of them did drive my wife and me to a nearby Amtrak station, so we made the trip anyway.  (Note:  the saga began on 15 January 2004.)
>>
>>
>> Incidentally, our case did make the news, so you might have heard of it.  We won a considerable award, technically, but never got a penny because the company crashed here and went elsewhere after losing its appeals.
>>
>>
>> If any state has criminal penalties for this sort of thing, that might indeed be a help.
>>
>>
>> Al
>>
>>
>>> On 8/12/22 08:11, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU wrote:
>>> Hi Jodi.
>>> Sorry, won't work.  They don't stop; they just drive by.  Or, in my case, cancel as soon as they suspect I might have a dog with me.
>>> Tracy
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 3:28 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>> Cc: Jody ianuzzi
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>
>>> It is in violation of state statute and the ADA to deny someone a ride. Perhaps it is time to call the police each and every time and have them charged with a misdemeanor
>>>
>>> JODY
>>>
>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>>
>>>
>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS  Erik Weihenmayer
>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 3:25 PM, Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, this business is utterly frustrating.  Before Uber and Lyft, there were cabs and at least one bus company that screwed us this way.
>>>>
>>>> Particular to Uber and Lyft and their ilk, though, what more particular things do you think we should do?  I've been away from law for a long time, so I don't know what remedies we might still have.
>>>>
>>>> Best!
>>>> Al
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 2:35 PM
>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Michael Hingson <mike at michaelhingson.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>>
>>>> They simply don't care. Uber has demonstrated that time and time again. The question is what are we as an organization going to do differently to address the problem?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2022 11:19 AM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber cancels again
>>>>
>>>> Don’t these guys realize that you know they cancelled. You are not living in a vacuum?
>>>> Cindy Ray
>>>> cindyray at gmail.com <mailto:cindyray at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Aug 11, 2022, at 12:20 PM, Tracy Carcione via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I took Igloo to the vet today to get a heartworm test so I can order
>>>>> him more meds.  When I was done, I sent for an Uber.  When I got a
>>>>> driver, I messaged him to say to come around to the back parking lot
>>>>> of the animal clinic, since it's hard to find.  I also said I'm blind
>>>>> and to call out to me.  Shortly afterwards, that driver cancelled.  I
>>>>> really doubt it was a coincidence.
>>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps I should have added that I have a service dog?
>>>>>
>>>>> Last time I tried to complain about a driver cancelling when he saw I
>>>>> have a service dog, I got no satisfaction at all.  Clearly Uber is no
>>>>> longer interested, even as much as they ever were.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's becoming a trend.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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