[NAGDU] another incident with Huber and its getting serious

sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net sblanjones11 at sbcglobal.net
Sat Jan 15 01:54:08 UTC 2022 

I don't know about where you live, but our paratransit struggles to give us on-time, quality performance.
Paratransits will not let us make same-day ride arrangements.
So there will always be a need for ride share, at least in case of emergency.
We must hold them accountable, and do whatever it takes to make them stop taking advantage of blind people with guide or service dogs.
Lying about whether a potential passenger is masked or not is unacceptable.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 8:44 PM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Lyn Gwizdak <gwizdaklyn at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] another incident with Huber and its getting serious

Michael and Cindy,

Things seem to be going nowhere. Now they lie about riders being unmasked.
What else will they dream up in their bigoted minds. It may be time for drastic things that will hurt them the most - in the wallet. Money is a great motivator especially when that money is threatened.

More lawsuits, yeah that may be good to do. Uber and Lyft need to be regulated to the extent where they will think twice about discriminating against us.

Maybe paratransit companies need to qualify all blind people who use guide dogs along with other disabled people who use service dogs. Then we have transportation. Or maybe the blindness organizations could provide their own service and get drivers who aren't bigoted against disabled people.

I dont have the patience for this garbage. Not in 2022 where we have rights and responsibilities to make sure our dogs are fit to be in public.

Lyn and Aristotle

On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 5:15 PM Mike Hingson via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Cindy,
>
> I agree. However, Uber especially continues to flaunt its lack of real 
> interest in fixing the problems in spite of the legal settlement and 
> the multi-year input from the NFB. The NFB is doing quite a bit, but I 
> can but wonder if it is time once again to litigate. It will be 
> interesting to hear about Lyft concerns, but there is no way to doubt 
> for most of us that Uber is still the bigger elephant in the room. 
> Lisa Irving won her own Uber law suit last year and even so, nothing seems to be changing in Uber's mindset.
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
> Michael Hingson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Cindy Ray via 
> NAGDU
> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 5:08 PM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users < 
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Cindy Ray <cindyray at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] another incident with Huber and its getting 
> serious
>
> Lynn, I’m not sure what you mean by the Nfb and ACB can’t do anything 
> about Lyft and Uber. We’ve been working on it for years, and in 
> someways things are better. The drivers have just learned that they 
> found a new weapon Dash no masks. And even if it’s a lie, they’re 
> using it until they’re not able to anymore. Nfb and probably a CB two 
> are working on it still. The idea of risking Lyft and Uber going 
> bankrupt is a bad idea for those of us who don’t have bus service and 
> trolley service and train service etc., because taxi services hire. I 
> don’t think we would want to take that route personally. This is, of 
> course, my point of you. At the same time, I definitely deplore what 
> they are doing. I hope at some point we can get enough creativity 
> about us that they can begin to see we really and truly mean business. 
> Cindy Lou Ray, moderator,  Cindy ray at gmail.com
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 14, 2022, at 6:56 PM, Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey all,
> >
> > How about finding a friendly reporter from the press or tv news? 
> > Maybe Uber and Lyft need some bad press to go with law suits. Too 
> > bad we couldn't get a big public boycott so Uber and Lyft risk going 
> > bankrupt. This is really disgusting and it sucks that NFB and ACB 
> > cant do anything. I dont use these platforms because of these 
> > bigoted drivers and I cant afford it anyway. I take buses, the 
> > trolley, and
> paratransit for all my transportation needs.
> >
> > Lyn and Aristotle
> >
> >> On Fri, Jan 14, 2022, 1:13 PM robert stigile via NAGDU 
> >> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Annette,
> >> No, I have not had it where they said I was not wearing a mask. 
> >> But, I had to Ubers in a row a week ago canceled and it was raining a lot.
> >> So I reported him, and uber called me to find out what happened and 
> >> I told him and one of the drivers was blatant and his 
> >> discrimination and they still said they educated him and he is  
> >> back on the platform
> just don’t get it!
> >>
> >> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the 
> >> Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
> >> 818-381-9568
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Jan 14, 2022, at 12:36 PM, Melissa Allman via NAGDU 
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi Anette. What you are saying is unfortunately all too common. 
> >>> I'm not
> >> great at taking selfies so I'll leave that topic alone but will be 
> >> interested in the perspectives of others on that. However, I think 
> >> it would be worth reaching out to the state protection and advocacy 
> >> agency as you suggest. Unfortunately Uber's terms and conditions 
> >> have an arbitration clause which is limiting. However, some people 
> >> have filed state law contract claims and I'm hearing that some are 
> >> exploring small claims court actions depending on whether it's 
> >> viable in the state they are in. I'm sorry to hear that about the 
> >> AG as far as the criminal law front. I would say get some legal 
> >> advice and don't give up. I'm so sorry to hear you are one more 
> >> person who has
> experienced this.
> >>>
> >>> Melissa
> >>>
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> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of annette via 
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> >>> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2022 3:23 PM
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> >>> Subject: [NAGDU] another incident with Huber and its getting 
> >>> serious
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> Yesterday I was waiting for my Huber ride with my guide dog in 
> >>> harness
> >> and I was wearing a mask.  When the driver approached and saw me he 
> >> drove off.  I received a text from Huber saying that my request 
> >> could not be filled.  I requested another rife from Huber.  This 
> >> time the app wanted me to take a selfie with my mask on and send it to them.
> >> By now, I was going to be late for my appointment.  I gave up on 
> >> Huber and took Lift.  For my return trip, I requested a trip with 
> >> Huber.  I got the same message about taking a photo.  I tried a 
> >> couple of times but could not get the  photo done.  I asked for 
> >> some sighted help.  I received an email from Huber stating that the 
> >> driver reported that I was not wearing a mask which is a lie.  The 
> >> email said that if there were multiple attempts to ride without a 
> >> mask, I will lose access to the app.  Now, I have this on my 
> >> record.  If this
> driver pulled this stunt, more drivers will do it as well and get away
> >> with it.  I reported this to the   ridership survey and am going to
> >> contact  Huber.  Has this happened to anyone else?  Does anyone 
> >> have any tips on how to take a selfie for the Huber app?  I feel so 
> >> helpless.  It’s my word against the driver, and the driver wins.
> >> Huber sides with the driver and against the customer.  A couple of 
> >> years ago, I complained to Huber about a refusal of service.  Huber 
> >> just said they would talk to the driver, but no disciplinary action 
> >> was taken.  I know NFB’s history of taking action against Huber and 
> >> Lift, but feel something else must be done.  Who regulates Huber 
> >> and Lift?  In the past, someone suggested filing a criminal 
> >> misdemeanor against the driver.  However, the city and county 
> >> states attorneys here in St. Louis have dismal prosecution records 
> >> and thousands of misdemeanors cases, and I don’t think I would get 
> >> far.  Should I report this to the Attorney General, Protection and 
> >> Advocacy, the BBB
> or who?
> >>>
> >>> Annette
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