[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Brent Franklin bfranklin at woolworths.com.au
Tue Jul 12 00:56:10 UTC 2022


I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
down that path.

Cheers.

Brent.

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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
Cc: Vivianna
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Hi.
Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.

Vivianna

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> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
> Thank you,
> Shelby
>
>
>
>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>> think
>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>> think?
>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>>> start,
>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>>> but
>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>>> in
>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Hingson
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>>> NAGDU
>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>
>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>>>
>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>> Valley Chapter
>>> 818-381-9568
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>>>> the time is now.
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>>>>> should strategize.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>
>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>>>>> rates"
>>>>> and
>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>
>>>>>                              They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>>>>> response.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>
>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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