[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Shelby Jones shelbellmj at outlook.com
Tue Jul 12 01:02:07 UTC 2022


I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.

> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
> down that path.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> Brent.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
> NAGDU
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> Cc: Vivianna
> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
> 
> Hi.
> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
> 
> Vivianna
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
>> Thank you,
>> Shelby
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>>> think
>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>>> think?
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Robert,
>>>> 
>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>>>> start,
>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>>>> but
>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>>>> in
>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>>>> NAGDU
>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>> 
>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>>>> 
>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>>> Valley Chapter
>>>> 818-381-9568
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>>>>> the time is now.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>>>>>> should strategize.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>>>>>> rates"
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>                             They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>>>>>> response.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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