[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Tracy Carcione carcione at access.net
Tue Jul 12 12:25:59 UTC 2022 

Julie Johnson wrote a book about owner training.  It's available on Amazon.  I think it's called Courage to Dare, but not real sure about that.
Tracy


-----Original Message-----
From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Doman via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 2:32 AM
To: Vivianna via NAGDU
Cc: Sam Doman
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Hi, I was curious about that myself. Is there a good sight or what would be some good books you'd recommend for learning more about this topic?
Thanks,
SamOn Jul 11, 2022 8:40 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in the time
> and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own dog and breed
> of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the financial ability to
> take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
> But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, for
> most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to working dog
> is many many hours of consistent work.
> HTH.
>
> Vivianna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
> > 
> >> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
> >> down that path.
> >> 
> >> Cheers.
> >> 
> >> Brent.
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
> >> NAGDU
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Vivianna
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
> >> 
> >> Hi.
> >> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
> >> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
> >> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
> >> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
> >> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
> >> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
> >> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
> >> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
> >> 
> >> Vivianna
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
> >>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
> >>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Shelby
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
> >>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
> >>>> think
> >>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
> >>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
> >>>> think?
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Robert,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
> >>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
> >>>>> start,
> >>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
> >>>>> but
> >>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
> >>>>> in
> >>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
> >>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Michael Hingson
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert stigile via
> >>>>> NAGDU
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
> >>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
> >>>>> Valley Chapter
> >>>>> 818-381-9568
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
> >>>>>> the time is now.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
> >>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
> >>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
> >>>>>>> should strategize.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Michael Hingson
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
> >>>>>>> rates"
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
> >>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
> >>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
> >>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
> >>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
> >>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>                            They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
> >>>>>>> response.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
> >>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
> >>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
> >>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
> >>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
> >>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
> >>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
> >>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
> >>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
> >>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
> >>>>>>> Grrrr.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Tracy
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> >>>>>>> 
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