[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Terri terri at lasertune.com
Tue Jul 12 13:34:41 UTC 2022 

Interesting! I looked for courage to dare by Julie Johnson and nothing came up. I looked in Audible, maybe it's not in Audible version?
Terri😎 & 💕Julie🦮 



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Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 5:27 AM -0700 from nagdu at nfbnet.org  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>:
>Julie Johnson wrote a book about owner training.  It's available on Amazon.  I think it's called Courage to Dare, but not real sure about that.
>Tracy
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Doman via NAGDU
>Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 2:32 AM
>To: Vivianna via NAGDU
>Cc: Sam Doman
>Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>
>Hi, I was curious about that myself. Is there a good sight or what would be some good books you'd recommend for learning more about this topic?
>Thanks,
>SamOn Jul 11, 2022 8:40 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>>
>> Hi.
>> Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in the time
>> and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own dog and breed
>> of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the financial ability to
>> take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
>> But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, for
>> most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to working dog
>> is many many hours of consistent work.
>> HTH.
>>
>> Vivianna
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>> > 
>> > 
>> > I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
>> > 
>> >> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>> >> 
>> >> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
>> >> down that path.
>> >> 
>> >> Cheers.
>> >> 
>> >> Brent.
>> >> 
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
>> >> NAGDU
>> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
>> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>> >> Cc: Vivianna
>> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>> >> 
>> >> Hi.
>> >> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
>> >> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
>> >> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
>> >> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
>> >> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
>> >> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
>> >> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
>> >> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
>> >> 
>> >> Vivianna
>> >> 
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >> 
>> >>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>> 
>> >>> Hi everyone,
>> >>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
>> >>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
>> >>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
>> >>> Thank you,
>> >>> Shelby
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>> >>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>> >>>> think
>> >>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>> >>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>> >>>> think?
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>> >>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Robert,
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>> >>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>> >>>>> start,
>> >>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>> >>>>> but
>> >>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>> >>>>> in
>> >>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>> >>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Michael Hingson
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>> >>>>> NAGDU
>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>> >>>>>  nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>> Cc: robert stigile < rstigile at gmail.com >
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>> >>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>> >>>>> Valley Chapter
>> >>>>>  818-381-9568
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>> >>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>> >>>>>> the time is now.
>> >>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>> >>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>> >>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>> >>>>>>> should strategize.
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Best Regards,
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> >>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione < carcione at access.net >
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>> >>>>>>> rates"
>> >>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>> >>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>> >>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>> >>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>> >>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>> >>>>>>> Tracy
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> >>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>>                            They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>> >>>>>>> response.
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>> >>>>>>> via NAGDU
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>> >>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione < carcione at access.net >
>> >>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>> >>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>> >>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>> >>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>> >>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>> >>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>> >>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>> >>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>> >>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>> >>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>> >>>>>>> Grrrr.
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> Tracy
>> >>>>>>> 
>> >>>>>>> 
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