[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Julie Johnson julielj402 at gmail.com
Wed Jul 13 23:33:22 UTC 2022 

The book title is: Courage to Dare: A Blind Woman's Quest to Train Her Own Guide Dog.  It is currently only available in large print or as a Kindle download.  It is being recorded and I have been told it is in the editing phase.  I have no control over the time frame, but will let everyone know as soon as the audio version is available.

Julie


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> On Jul 12, 2022, at 8:49 AM, Terri via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Found it! Kindle version! Thanks for sharing!!
> Terri😎 & 💕Julie🦮 
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> Tuesday, July 12, 2022, 5:27 AM -0700 from nagdu at nfbnet.org  <nagdu at nfbnet.org>:
>> Julie Johnson wrote a book about owner training.  It's available on Amazon.  I think it's called Courage to Dare, but not real sure about that.
>> Tracy
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Doman via NAGDU
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 2:32 AM
>> To: Vivianna via NAGDU
>> Cc: Sam Doman
>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>> 
>> Hi, I was curious about that myself. Is there a good sight or what would be some good books you'd recommend for learning more about this topic?
>> Thanks,
>> SamOn Jul 11, 2022 8:40 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi.
>>> Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in the time
>>> and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own dog and breed
>>> of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the financial ability to
>>> take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
>>> But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, for
>>> most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to working dog
>>> is many many hours of consistent work.
>>> HTH.
>>> 
>>> Vivianna
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org > wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What made you go
>>>>> down that path.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Brent.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna via
>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> Cc: Vivianna
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
>>>>> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all of the
>>>>> training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog trained then that
>>>>> is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
>>>>> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube videos
>>>>> etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read them now though
>>>>> because, they are there and i can. I am currently working my 3.5 year old
>>>>> boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Vivianna
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if you owner
>>>>>> trained your guide what resources did you use? In my area there are no
>>>>>> professional trainers that train guide dogs.
>>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>>> Shelby
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I really
>>>>>>> didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise for me? I
>>>>>>> think
>>>>>>> we should schedule a negative meeting very soon to see if nagged you and
>>>>>>> nfb will do more. Then we can decide what happens from there. What do you
>>>>>>> think?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Robert,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's need to
>>>>>>>> comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU meeting is a
>>>>>>>> start,
>>>>>>>> but we already did that. We need to not only pursue what Tim suggested,
>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>> we need to look at other possible options. Not going to discuss too much
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> public right now. If NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule
>>>>>>>> time. There are options we can explore.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of robert stigile via
>>>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users <
>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>> Cc: robert stigile < rstigile at gmail.com >
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President
>>>>>>>> National Federation of the Blind of California President San Fernando
>>>>>>>> Valley Chapter
>>>>>>>> 818-381-9568
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious action. And
>>>>>>>>> the time is now.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us seriously. When
>>>>>>>>>> will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a company for violating the
>>>>>>>>>> ADA? Time for settlements to go away. Uber already thinks so. We
>>>>>>>>>> should strategize.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Hingson
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione < carcione at access.net >
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high cancellation
>>>>>>>>>> rates"
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver finding
>>>>>>>>>> another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
>>>>>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and Uber
>>>>>>>>>> totally doesn't even understand the problem.
>>>>>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Star Gazer
>>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>                           They aren't, almost sounds like an AI
>>>>>>>>>> response.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU < nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org > On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione
>>>>>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
>>>>>>>>>> < nagdu at nfbnet.org >
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione < carcione at access.net >
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a driver
>>>>>>>>>> cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the
>>>>>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time seemingly
>>>>>>>>>> attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message from Uber saying
>>>>>>>>>> they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote again, repeating the info
>>>>>>>>>> I'd already given them.  Then I got a response saying the price was
>>>>>>>>>> good and they couldn't do anything about it and I wouldn't get a
>>>>>>>>>> refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
>>>>>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he sees a
>>>>>>>>>> service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
>>>>>>>>>> Grrrr.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Tracy
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
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