[NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Debbe Gabe debbiegabe at live.com
Tue Jul 12 16:22:32 UTC 2022


There is another book that talks about guide dogs from breeding through training for guiding blind people. It's called Forward Together and it is on BARD in audio format.

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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy Carcione via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 2:26 AM
To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users' <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Julie Johnson wrote a book about owner training.  It's available on Amazon.  I think it's called Courage to Dare, but not real sure about that.
Tracy


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From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Doman via NAGDU
Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2022 2:32 AM
To: Vivianna via NAGDU
Cc: Sam Doman
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog

Hi, I was curious about that myself. Is there a good sight or what would be some good books you'd recommend for learning more about this topic?
Thanks,
SamOn Jul 11, 2022 8:40 PM, Vivianna via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi.
> Because, i like dogs and like training them. I am willing to put in 
> the time and effort. I know what i want in a dog. I can choose my own 
> dog and breed of dog. I can train the dog the way i want. I have the 
> financial ability to take care of my own dog and buy my own gear. And so many other things.
> But, i do definitely think it’s not for everybody. Or, may i dare say, 
> for most folks. The amount of time alone to train a dog from pup to 
> working dog is many many hours of consistent work.
> HTH.
>
> Vivianna
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jul 11, 2022, at 8:03 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > I am choosing to owner train because the waiting lists are more than two years. I also really enjoy training dogs.
> > 
> >> On Jul 11, 2022, at 6:57 PM, Brent Franklin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> 
> >> I find this an interesting discussion. The question is why? What 
> >> made you go down that path.
> >> 
> >> Cheers.
> >> 
> >> Brent.
> >> 
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vivianna 
> >> via NAGDU
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 12 July 2022 10:50 AM
> >> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
> >> Cc: Vivianna
> >> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Owner training a guide dog
> >> 
> >> Hi.
> >> Yes, i have trained several of my guides. And, i did not use any “resources”.
> >> Owner-training is just that, training your own dog. So, i did all 
> >> of the training. If you are using a trainer and having your dog 
> >> trained then that is having your dog privately trained and, it’s quite costly.
> >> There are training books available now, as well as loads of youtube 
> >> videos etc. but, i trained most of my dogs without these. I read 
> >> them now though because, they are there and i can. I am currently 
> >> working my 3.5 year old boy so won’t have to do it again for a while i hope.
> >> 
> >> Vivianna
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 2:51 PM, Shelby Jones via NAGDU 
> >>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Hi everyone,
> >>> I am considering owner training a guide dog. I was wondering, if 
> >>> you owner trained your guide what resources did you use? In my 
> >>> area there are no professional trainers that train guide dogs.
> >>> Thank you,
> >>> Shelby
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 1:43 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU 
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>> Hey guys I had serious audio issues at both Magda meetings so I 
> >>>> really didn't hear what Tim was proposing. Anybody want a sunrise 
> >>>> for me? I think we should schedule a negative meeting very soon 
> >>>> to see if nagged you and nfb will do more. Then we can decide 
> >>>> what happens from there. What do you think?
> >>>> 
> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 3:39 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU 
> >>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Robert,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> The law suit did something. It simply wasn't that we made Uber's 
> >>>>> need to comply strong enough. What Tim discussed at the NAGDU 
> >>>>> meeting is a start, but we already did that. We need to not only 
> >>>>> pursue what Tim suggested, but we need to look at other possible 
> >>>>> options. Not going to discuss too much in public right now. If 
> >>>>> NAGDU leaders want to discuss then we can schedule time. There 
> >>>>> are options we can explore.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Michael Hingson
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of robert 
> >>>>> stigile via NAGDU
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 12:13 PM
> >>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog 
> >>>>> Users < nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> Cc: robert stigile <rstigile at gmail.com>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> So what are you proposing since a lawsuit did absolutely nothing!
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Robert Stigile, Second Vice-President National Federation of the 
> >>>>> Blind of California President San Fernando Valley Chapter
> >>>>> 818-381-9568
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>> On Jul 11, 2022, at 12:10 PM, Debbie Malone via NAGDU 
> >>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>> Michael, I totally agree. It's time to take more serious 
> >>>>>> action. And the time is now.
> >>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2022, 2:06 PM Michael Hingson via NAGDU 
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The fact is that Uber does not take you nor any of us 
> >>>>>>> seriously. When will NAGDU and the NFB go after Uber as a 
> >>>>>>> company for violating the ADA? Time for settlements to go 
> >>>>>>> away. Uber already thinks so. We should strategize.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Best Regards,
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Michael Hingson
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy 
> >>>>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 10:46 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> The final response I got was that they monitor "high 
> >>>>>>> cancellation rates"
> >>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>> warn drivers about them. What are the odds of that driver 
> >>>>>>> finding another service dog user to cancel on within the next few months?
> >>>>>>> Pretty darned unlikely, I think.  So he gets away with it, and 
> >>>>>>> Uber totally doesn't even understand the problem.
> >>>>>>> You might be right; it's not a human responding.
> >>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>>>>>> Star Gazer via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, July 11, 2022 11:31 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> Cc: Star Gazer; 'Tracy Carcione'
> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>                            They aren't, almost sounds like an 
> >>>>>>> AI response.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Tracy 
> >>>>>>> Carcione via NAGDU
> >>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2022 9:39 AM
> >>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users'
> >>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> Cc: Tracy Carcione <carcione at access.net>
> >>>>>>> Subject: [NAGDU] Uber response
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I am not happy with Uber's response to my complaint about a 
> >>>>>>> driver cancelling and driving off when he saw my dog.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> I put the trip date/time in my complaint, and I also chose the 
> >>>>>>> correct trip on my way to the form, and I saw the date/time 
> >>>>>>> seemingly attached to my comment.  And yet I got a message 
> >>>>>>> from Uber saying they couldn't find the trip.  So I wrote 
> >>>>>>> again, repeating the info I'd already given them.  Then I got 
> >>>>>>> a response saying the price was good and they couldn't do 
> >>>>>>> anything about it and I wouldn't get a refund.  I wrote back saying I don't want a refund.
> >>>>>>> I want them to tell the driver not to cancel a trip when he 
> >>>>>>> sees a service dog.  It's like they're not even reading what I'm saying.
> >>>>>>> Grrrr.
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> Tracy
> >>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>> 
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