[NAGDU] Question about share ride drivers and dog hair

Tue Dec 19 18:05:13 UTC 2023

Hi Cindy,

The particular case of which I am aware was not a matter of simply not grooming as often as they should have done. Dogs who are dirty or excessively smelly or ill mannered may be refused on that basis. The service dog's refusal was based on the health and cleanliness of the dog. Once the dog was cleaned up it and its owner were welcomed. It is the difference between a dog reaching its nose onto the table once and being corrected and being allowed to graze at will. Like it or not, we are all judged by the performance and behavior of our guides.   

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Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Question about share ride drivers and dog hair

I  know we are supposed to not allow our dogs on the seat in ride shares, but what happens if your dog is not able to lie on the floor, like with small cars, or if they only get on the seat to turn around to get out of the car? I  try to limet this obviously, but I have been in very small cars where there is no room for the dog to be on the floor. I  brush my dog daily, but there is always hair. I  would understand if a driver didn't want to take a dog with odors, but  what about when it rains and there's  that wet dog smell?  Asking because I am on my first dog and currently living where riding in other people's cars is necessary.

Gretchen Brown
COTA/L

On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 9:58 PM Al Sten-Clanton via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
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> It seems a fair point that some of us should groom our dogs more 
> often, including me.  I don't go in many cars these days, but if I did 
> I'd certainly brush him more often.  I did it on Friday specifically 
> to minimize the hair in the house where we had the family Christmas 
> party yesterday.  So I can understand a driver not wanting a dog that 
> looks and smells like hell and may leave a whole rug behind in the car.
>
> That said, I doubt the quick judgments and denials I've seen and 
> experienced suggest that the driver did not actually check whether 
> there was a real problem, but just assumed it.  Unless it's clear to 
> me somehow that either the dog or the handler did something wrong, my 
> presumption is that the driver is not trying reasonably to know the 
> facts but has jumped to a conclusion.
>
> Al
>
>
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> Joy, I get what you’re saying, but it’s really quite judgmental. There 
> could be various circumstances. Some people grooming, the dog still 
> shed a lot. In any case, you can’t refuse to take a dog because 
> somebody didn’t groom it. That’s irrelevant. And I really don’t think 
> we have the right to make that kind of judgments here.
> ,
> Cindy Lou Ray
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 7:25 PM, Debbie Gabe via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I know my husband has a really hard time getting my dog's fur out 
> > of
> his floor mat  in his car. So I put towels down in my husband's car.  
> Plus I groom the dog every single day.  If a blind person does not 
> groom their dog often, I don't blame ride share drivers at all!
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Dec 17, 2023, at 12:57 PM, Joy Relton via NAGDU 
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> >
> >
> > I recently took a Lyft to a shopping center near my house. The woman 
> > was not happy that she had to pick me up with my dog guide but did 
> > so
> nonetheless.
> > As we were driving I engaged her in conversation about her 
> > resistance to taking the dog and she told me that many drivers are 
> > concerned because if they take a dog guide in their car and they 
> > aren't able to get all of the dog hair out before someone rides with 
> > them who has severe allergies the company will do nothing to help 
> > them with any law suits. I was curious whether others have ever had 
> > a driver express this concern. The logical solution is to have a 
> > specific percentage of cars be allergy-free so no perfumes,, dog 
> > etc. The problem would be that they couldn't guarantee that one of 
> > the passengers wouldn't have a pet at home and bring some of their 
> > fur on their clothing without any knowledge. Has anyone else had any similar experiences?
> >
> >
> >
> > Joy and Vicky, Who says that the brisk air out there makes for fine 
> > walking and hopes that all of her colleagues out there are getting
> similar walks.
> >
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