[NAGDU] guide horse

Thu Jun 22 13:49:15 UTC 2023

No. that was the only organization.

On 6/22/23, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Josh, there are very few people training guide horses. You will truly have
> to do that research and find your own trainer. Well, you’ll have to figure
> out how to do it yourself. As for the loss, we’re already having a load of
> trouble with dogs on airlines and rideshare. You’ve surely been around
> enough to see that. I think adding additional animals to the list only is at
> this time going to create problems. My friend Becky has been refused rides
> on Lyft four times from my house, alone, and at least one downtown because I
> was with her. I’m really really looking forward to having a dog again so
> that we can fight the battle together here. Things just aren’t switching as
> they should, and they get worse because of the addition of other animals,
> even other uses for dogs, being added into the mix. Of course, a lot of
> that’s because of emotional support animals, and what  people were beginning
> to bring on board planes, and such weird things that nobody thought of as
> service animals,. . And yes it is aren’t service animals. I understand your
> desire for a horse, but honestly, I think that we probably have to hold off
> on that. So far, it really hasn’t worked out well. And it’s been tried. I
> heard some rather negative comments about a guide horse at the Atlanta
> airport once. Now I don’t know if they were negative because they didn’t
> like the horse  and what it did, or negative because they just hadn’t seen
> it before. But I just don’t think we can spread our efforts that thin. I
> think you should take a shot at a dog again, because you could get the
> training done way faster. Otherwise, I think you should stick with your cane
> and continue your research. By the way, I’m not on the board, so board
> members might wait into this fray and feel very much differently about it.
> Thanks for listening.
>
> Cindy Lou Ray
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 7:19 AM, Josh Kennedy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> yes, and both of those criteria fit me perfectly. There's even a tractor
>> supply nearby where I live.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2023, at 08:11, Carlos M Contreras via NAGDU
>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> My understanding is that Miniature horses are mostly used by people who
>>> live in rural ares and walk in rural roads. Also, they are preferred by
>>> people who doesn't want to experience death of their service animal
>>> frequently.
>>>
>>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 4:31 PM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In 2011, the ADA restricted assistance animals to dogs. So many people
>>>> tried passing off all kinds of exotic animals as assistance animals that
>>>> it caused a lot of trouble. Guide horses that were working at the time
>>>> were grandfathered in and allowed to continue but I don’t think new
>>>> guide horses are permitted under the ADA.
>>>>
>>>> it is difficult enough to get through the grocery store with a guy dog
>>>> without drawing attention, having a guide horse would probably make it
>>>> even more difficult to go to public places.
>>>>
>>>> I absolutely adore horses, but I don’t think they’re appropriate animals
>>>> to be guides. Horses are a flight animal  And would require a lot of
>>>> socialization and desensitizing in order to work in a heavy traffic
>>>> environment.
>>>>
>>>> There’s also the difficulty that they have to wear appropriate shoes and
>>>> a toileting harness at all times. They don’t fold easily in a small
>>>> space such as under an airline seat, or in a car.
>>>>
>>>> I think the advantage of the horse has they have a much longer life than
>>>> a dog, but loving both dogs and horses. I can’t imagine having a guide
>>>> horse.
>>>>
>>>> JODY
>>>>
>>>> To Boldly Go  🖖🏻
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>
>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way."  NO BARRIERS
>>>> Erik Weihenmayer
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 4:21 PM, Josh via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Isn't there any possible way I could have a class A 26 to 30 inch tall
>>>>> mini horse guide animal? A guide horse? Could a guide dog school train
>>>>> one for me? Ann Edie has her guide horse, Panda, after all, who was
>>>>> trained by Alexandra Kurland. The more time I spend with Jazzy, the
>>>>> more I love mini horses! I feel very very safe and comfortable with
>>>>> miniature horses.
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Leye-Shprintse
>>>>> Teller via NAGDU
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 14:19
>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Leye-Shprintse Teller <leyeshprintse at icloud.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Juno
>>>>>
>>>>> BS’D
>>>>>
>>>>> Josh,
>>>>>
>>>>> I’d say that your experience of being dragged around has less to do
>>>>> with the guide dog than the specific guide dog which you were working
>>>>> with. When I got my first guide dog, now passed, I was on an
>>>>> Information Course before I was accepted, it’s the routine in my
>>>>> country of birth, and I got to work three different guide dogs, a male
>>>>> Labradoodle, a male Labrador and a female Labrador. The boys dragged me
>>>>> around because their physical size and pace didn’t match me, the small
>>>>> female Labrador with several walking speeds matched me better and when
>>>>> I got my first guide dog Hera, she was the perfect match for me. I
>>>>> don’t want to minimalize your experience but guide dogs are like us
>>>>> humans, different. You need to have the best match for you to get a
>>>>> smoothly partnership for both human and dog.
>>>>>
>>>>> Kind Regards,
>>>>> לשלום,
>>>>> Leye-Shprintse Teller
>>>>> Brooklyn (N.Y.), U.S.
>>>>> +1 (929) 977-8890
>>>>> leyeshprintse at icloud.com
>>>>> www.leyeshprintse.com
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone XR
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 21, 2023, at 7:52 AM, Josh via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could do a juno walk with a guide horse somehow. I would
>>>>>> absolutely love that! Specifically a class A 26 to 30 inch tall mini
>>>>>> guide horse. I visited a guide dog school over 20 years ago. I felt I
>>>>>> was being dragged by the dog. When I walk with the female mini horse
>>>>>> with  the lead rope. Note I do not own the horse... anyway she has a
>>>>>> nice fluid smooth motion when she walks. She doesn't pull me at all,
>>>>>> like the dog at the guide dog school did, and unless like the one time
>>>>>> she was distracted by some grass getting her back on track is
>>>>>> relatively easy. At least for me it is. I would love a guide horse
>>>>>> similar to Jazzy someday. She is such a good little horse!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Stephanie Mcdowell
>>>>>> via NAGDU
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2023 7:41
>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Stephanie Mcdowell <smcdowell_2005 at yahoo.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Juno
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Cindy,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That is exciting. Have fun.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Stephanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jun 20, 2023, at 9:26 PM, Cindy Ray via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have a Juno walk next Tuesday. I am really excited about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cindy Lou Ray
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> Cindyray at gmail.com
>>>>>>>
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