[NAGDU] schools giving Shepherds to first time handlers..

Tue May 16 13:02:46 UTC 2023

I agree that there are many ONM instructors that are not informed about guide dogs. A local oh I have instructor here advised the lady that I know that she would not qualify for a guy dog in spite of the fact that she lives in town and wants to walk 5 miles a day to stay in shape. He said that since she wasn’t working it wasn’t justified.

This lady was devastated and really believed what he said. All of the guide dog handler‘s that she knew set her straight but not after a lot of anxiety on her part!

Maybe educating on instructors would be a great goal

JODY

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> On May 16, 2023, at 4:38 AM, Heather Bird via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> So, your orientation and mobility instructor is dead wrong. I really wish that ONM instructors wouldn’t try to speak to Guide Dog topics when they don’t really know what they’re talking about. Some of them are quite talented in things like teaching cane technique and map reading skills, but unless they are a certified Guide Dog mobility instructor, chances are their information is not the most reliable. The Seeing Eye, absolutely, gives shepherds to first time handlers, if the person wants one, and if they think the person is a suitable match. And as you pointed out, obviously, Fidelco gives German Shepherd’s to first time handler’s. I also know of individuals going to other schools that train shepherds, in the past, or they currently train. Shepherds, for instance, Guiding eyes , that received a German Shepherd as their first guide  dog. Next, I want to say that while I appreciate your introspection, in terms of thinking that you wouldn’t want to, or couldn’t handle a German shepherd. I would encourage you not underestimate yourself. Some shepherds are much more manageable than some labs, although, in general, you are correct that shepherds need a lot more handling. I don’t think any school should be excluded just because they train German shepherds. If you tell them, you don’t want to shepherd, trust me, they’re not going to give you one. First of all, they want you to be successful, and if they know that you really would be uncomfortable with a shepherd, they’re not going to give one to you. And, I am not sure that I have the band with this late at night, I guess it’s early in the morning, to be politically correct, so I guess I’ll say it in the most blunt  way possible. if someone really doesn’t want to shepherd, they’re not going to waste the shepherd on that person. Let me be clear I’m not saying that you shouldn’t have a guy dog. I’m just saying that shepherds are in such high demand, and there are so many people who very strongly want a German shepherd, that they’re not going to waste one of them on an individual who actively does not want to shepherd.  That would be counterproductive to the applicant, to the dogs, and the other people who would prefer to have that dog. I understand what you’re saying, that generally the more exacting you are with your specifications the longer you wait. But actively not wanting a shepherd actually sort of makes you the opposite of exacting. Basically you’re saying that you want a golden retriever, or a labrador, or a lab golden cross, which is, the vast majority of dogs, being trained at the vast majority of Guide Dogs schools. So, in fact you would be a acting less picky, and would be more likely to get a dog quickly. I’m not sure if I’m explaining it correctly. So, I would absolutely encourage you to apply to The Seeing Eye or to Guiding Eyes  and just let them know that you don’t wanna Shepherd. They’re certainly not going to try to force one on you. And the last thing I want to add is that, you will encounter people who are afraid of your dog from time to time, no matter what you get. My husband has a little, adorable, yellow, Labrador, very mild mannered, From Canine Companions For Independence, and some people are still terrified of him. So if you don’t want anyone to ever be afraid of your dog, then I would say don’t get a dog. Although, if you want to minimize the chances of someone being afraid of your dog, And getting a light colored retriever like a yellow Labrador, or a golden retriever, is your best bet. 
> 
> I hope this is helpful. And I wish you a lot of luck when you do start applying to schools. I’m sure they’ll find you a fantastic match as long as you let them know upfront what you do and do not want.
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>> On May 15, 2023, at 9:25 PM, Madison Martin via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
>> I was telling my O&M instructor the other day about meeting a lady with a German
>> Shepherd guide dog and I told him that I don't think I'd want a Shepherd as I
>> don't want people to be afraid of my guide (I know they aren't aggressive but
>> still not everyone would know that and I don't want people to be scared of my
>> guide which is also why I don't want a Doberman) and also I know that sometimes
>> they need a firmer hand then a Retriever though I know every dog's personality
>> is different but I don't think I have the ability to handle one successfully. He
>> said that schools don't give Shepherds to first time handlers; so I'm just
>> curious with the exception of Fedelco since they only train Shepherds is this
>> generally true or is it a case-by-case thing? Just curious as if it's generally
>> true then I wouldn't have to exclude schools simply because they train Shepherds
>> but if it's a case-by-case thing then I may have to exclude schools that do
>> train them so that if I were to get excepted I wouldn't be worrying about
>> whether or not I'd be matched with a Shepherd as I know for a fact that I'd
>> worry about it (I know that I could tell them that I don't want a Shepherd but I
>> know that the pickier you are about what you do/don't want in a dog the longer
>> it'll take/the harder it'll be to find a suitable match). I'm not currently
>> applying to anywhere; I'm simply asking out of shere curiosity. Look forward to
>> reading peoples' thoughts/hearing about their experiences!!!! Thanks
>> Madison 
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