[NAGDU] Seeing Eye
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Tue Mar 19 01:58:06 UTC 2024
I'll have to look there.
I've read Love in the Lead, but hadn't heard of any of these others.
I'm new to following this thread, so I'm not sure if this book was written by a Seeing Eye instructor, but Forward Together is definitely a good read if you want a look at how Guide training works from an instructors perspective.
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From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Gretchen Brown via NAGDU
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2024 8:47 PM
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Cc: Gretchen Brown <gretch99brown at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
I was able to find several older books such as a friend in darkness, and the working dog lectures that were written in around 1930 or so. Found them on the internet archive. You have to sign up for a print disabled access to get them. I don't remember all the titles, but there were quite a few about guide dogs in Germany and older books from 1800 about blindness.
It takes some digging, but there are lots of out of print books available.
Hope this helps. Archive.org Gretchen Brown
Gretchen Brown
COTA/L
On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:15 PM Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> Replying only to you, buddy. Can't find cast off the darkness except
> for hardcopy from Amazon. Checked bard, iBooks, Libby, and that was as
> far as I could go.
>
> Vanessa and the zoo
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 18, 2024, at 6:39 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU
> > <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I have texts of all of them if someone hasn’t managed to grab them
> > over
> the past 25 years or so.
> >
> > There are several books by Peter Putnam. Besides Love In the Lead,
> there’s The Triumph of the Seeing Eye, geared more towards late
> elementry or middle school age. Also, Keep Your Head Up, Mr. Putnam,
> about his getting his first guide Minnie in 1941, and Cast Off the
> Darkness, an autobiographical memoir.
> >
> > I also have My Eyes Have a Cold Nose, and First Lady Of the Seeing
> > Eye,
> along with some other stuff. …
> >
> >
> > --
> > Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
> > Email: buddy at brannan.name
> > Mobile: (814) 431-0962
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mar 18, 2024, at 11:45 AM, Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> There is a third book by Peter Putnam called triumph of The Seeing Eye.
> >>
> >> Vanessa and the zoo
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>>> On Mar 16, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Love on the lead was written by Peter Putnam. He also wrote
> >>> another
> book called keep your head up Mr. Putnam. They are both available on
> bard
> >>> JODY
> >>>
> >>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
> >>>
> >>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO
> >>> BARRIERS
> Erik Weihenmayer
> >>>
> >>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU
> >>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi guys,
> >>>>
> >>>> This is great reading about TSE from many graduates. It was 1993
> >>>> when
> the
> >>>> first renovation happened. They put a whole new second floor dorm
> >>>> wing expanding the number of student rooms so they no longer had
> >>>> to have 2 people to a room anymore.
> >>>>
> >>>> There's a book about the history of TSE called "Love in the Lead:
> >>>> the
> 50
> >>>> year history". Forgot who wrote it. The book was originally
> >>>> written
> for
> >>>> TSE 50th anniversary. It has been updated since then. It is
> >>>> available
> at
> >>>> the school. If anyone wants to read it, call the school. It may
> >>>> be on
> BARD
> >>>> or from an NLS library for the Blind. I have the print paperback
> version
> >>>> since I can read regular books with my magnifying glasses.
> >>>> There's
> great
> >>>> old photos in it.
> >>>>
> >>>> Lyn and Aristotle
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 8:46 AM Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave and I were in class together when he got vanilla. Oh but
> >>>>> the
> story
> >>>>> that I can tell about the employee who worked at The Seeing Eye
> >>>>> who
> lost
> >>>>> his dog. It's a long story so here goes. David had gone into his
> room and I
> >>>>> guess thought he had put the dog on tiedown. Or at a minimum had
> closed his
> >>>>> door all the way and was just letting the dog hang out in the room.
> Well,
> >>>>> his door was not closed all the way. So unboned Dave, who was
> beginning to
> >>>>> lose his hearing, vanilla snuck out. Vanilla had it into the
> >>>>> room of another student (room unoccupied at that moment), and
> >>>>> stole that
> students
> >>>>> dogs nail bone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vanilla was found by housecleaning staff out in the hallway
> >>>>> enjoying
> said
> >>>>> Nyla bone. Dog was collected and handed over to an instructor.
> >>>>> Bone
> was
> >>>>> collected and taken down into the office that the instructor
> >>>>> used at
> that
> >>>>> time affectionately known as the swamp (Bonnie, you would
> >>>>> remember
> the
> >>>>> swamp).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Student and dog and who's running the invasion theft had taken
> >>>>> place returned to their room only to find that they couldn't
> >>>>> find the not
> bone.
> >>>>> So Joan Markey is summoned to look for the bone in the room. No
> luck. Joan
> >>>>> goes down into the swamp, find an bone that wasn't there before,
> >>>>> and determined that it was probably the missing bone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In the meantime, Dave discovers that he's missing a dog. I was
> downstairs
> >>>>> in the foyer waiting to be picked up to go to church. I hear
> >>>>> somebody creeping down the stairs and in a loud whisper calling
> >>>>> the dog. Of
> course,
> >>>>> I am sitting in the foyer many many feet away hearing this and
> quietly
> >>>>> laughing. Especially because it was Dave.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dave disappeared back upstairs, at at some point, he and Van
> >>>>> were reunited. Fast-forward to lunchtime. Dave, Joan, and I sat
> >>>>> at the
> same
> >>>>> table. Or at least I think Dave was also at the table. Anyway at
> least most
> >>>>> of the involved parties were there, but gosh! That was in 2004.
> >>>>> One
> of us
> >>>>> started telling the story from one of the perspectives. I can't
> >>>>> even remember which perspective. Missing dog, missing bone, or
> >>>>> hearing
> Dave
> >>>>> search for his dog without any luck. As we all told our segments
> >>>>> of
> the
> >>>>> story putting the entire situation together, our table was in
> stitches as
> >>>>> we laughed and laughed. One of the funniest memories that I have
> ever had
> >>>>> while at The Seeing Eye!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:28 AM, Bonnie Mosen via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I met Mr. Whitstock in my first class. I think he had a
> >>>>>> Shepherd
> named
> >>>>> Meghan.
> >>>>>> I believe he retired not long after that.
> >>>>>> Dave Loux is such a nice guy.
> >>>>>> He had Abigail when I first met him in 1990.
> >>>>>> When I worked at TSE he had Alice and Vanilla. Vanilla was such
> >>>>>> a
> sweet,
> >>>>> funny dog.
> >>>>>> She would steal yvonna's toys, and one day after all the toys
> >>>>>> were
> gone
> >>>>> she tried to take Yvonna.
> >>>>>> I guess she thought the big fluffy golden was a toy dog.
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> Bonnie and Eclipse
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joy via
> >>>>>> NAGDU
> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 11:25 AM
> >>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users' <
> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Cc: joy.relton at icloud.com
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh yes, If I'm not mistaken he once had a Saluki which is an
> Egyptian
> >>>>> dog, I think.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also do you remember Mr. Whitstock? For those who don't know
> >>>>>> these
> >>>>> gentlemen, I believe were some of the first blind employees at
> >>>>> The
> Seeing
> >>>>> Eye. Of course, there have been and are others.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Margo
> >>>>>> Downey
> via
> >>>>> NAGDU
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 1:01 PM
> >>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users' <
> >>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> Cc: Margo Downey <margo.downey at roadrunner.com>
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Oh, I remember Zilla and David. Awesome people.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Margo and Tami
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> >>>>>> Buddy
> >>>>> Brannan via NAGDU
> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 3:50 PM
> >>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> >>>>>> Users
> >>>>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Zilla was a sweetheart. Maybe retired when I got Chet, but even
> >>>>>> if
> she
> >>>>> wasn’t, she was definitely in evidence and was absolutely
> delightful. And
> >>>>> yeah, David Loux. Great guy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
> >>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
> >>>>>> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I never met more Frank, but my best friend in North Carolina
> >>>>>>> (my
> home
> >>>>> state) did get to meet him. Did Krokus was there when I was in
> training
> >>>>> with my first dog in 1982. So was Dan Booke pronounced Booker).
> >>>>> I
> never
> >>>>> worked with Roger Taylor in class. Nor did I do so with Gary Matoon.
> But I
> >>>>> did get to know both of them. Gary was a hoot, and I must
> >>>>> confess, I
> never
> >>>>> was one of the victims of a Roger Taylor prank, but I'm sure
> >>>>> that he
> could
> >>>>> be quite ingenious about it. An and then there was absolutely
> >>>>> sweet, gracious ROBERT Woodstock. What a gentleman. and David
> >>>>> Loux. And for
> us
> >>>>> dinosaurs, how many of you remember the person on the
> >>>>> housekeeping
> staff,
> >>>>> zilla husbands. She had the most wonderful laugh, so we would
> >>>>> all do anything to get her to laugh. And then there was Paul
> >>>>> Parsley, the
> school
> >>>>> mom! You either loved her or hated her, but you grew to respect her.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Joy via NAGDU
> >>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> My first class was in 1976. I didn't meet Mr. Frank. I did
> >>>>>>>>> meet
> Mr.
> >>>>> Crocus and Mr. Debeta. Of course, I also got to know Mr. Gary
> Mattoon.
> >>>>> Please forgive my spelling in the names. Mr. Mattoon trained my
> second dog
> >>>>> Zenith but Lucas Franc trained Zenith and I together. Lucas used
> >>>>> to
> call
> >>>>> him Atoshi.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Mr. Roger Taylor my first trainer with Vicki (my first Vicki)
> >>>>>>>> was
> a
> >>>>> story teller. Since my dad was also a story teller I was right
> >>>>> at
> home. He
> >>>>> was also a practical joker. He once swopped the harness of a 1
> hundred
> >>>>> pound shepherd for a 40 pound shepherd during dinner. In those
> >>>>> days,
> I
> >>>>> can't remember if we still do this, we hung our dogs' harness on
> >>>>> the
> back
> >>>>> of our chair during dinner when we first started using them
> >>>>> because
> they
> >>>>> were stiff and hadn't yet gotten enough softening by the saddle soap.
> >>>>> Anyway, the man who used the larger shepherd was a very tall man
> >>>>> from Louisiana and he has the wonderful slow southern accent.
> >>>>> The woman
> who had
> >>>>> been matched with the smaller shepherd, and my roommate, was a
> smaller
> >>>>> woman from Canada. When we got up to leave after dinner and
> >>>>> began to
> put on
> >>>>> our dogs' harnesses I can still hear Joe say "something sure is
> wrong here
> >>>>> because there's no way this is gonna fit on my dog."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> In those days everyone was called by their last names. It was
> >>>>>>>> to
> >>>>> maintain an atmosphere of respect.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Once when I was walking down the street with Vicki a man came
> >>>>>>>> up
> to me
> >>>>> and told me that he was with the police and wondered if I had a
> license to
> >>>>> operate my dog. I sputtered for a while and then asked "do you
> >>>>> know
> Mr.
> >>>>> Roger Taylor?". The man started laughing.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There are some things which have changed and become more
> >>>>>>>> modern
> at The
> >>>>> Seeing Eye, but, to me, the one thing that remains the same is
> >>>>> the
> emphasis
> >>>>> on quality of breeding and training of dogs. In my experience,
> >>>>> if
> you come
> >>>>> with an attitude that you want to learn how to work with your
> >>>>> new
> partner
> >>>>> and ask lots of questions you end up with a partner who will
> >>>>> work
> with you
> >>>>> for years. There are going to be some partnerships which don't
> >>>>> work,
> but I
> >>>>> believe that it is the minority of the partnership. Of course,
> >>>>> that
> isn't
> >>>>> much comfort if you are the one experiencing the issue at the time.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Also, in 2005 I collapsed with a burst aneurism in my brain
> >>>>>>>> and
> was in
> >>>>> intensive care for a month and then in rehab for another month
> before I
> >>>>> came home. My husband called The Seeing Eye and got advice as to
> what to do
> >>>>> to help Belle adjust to the new situation. The support was
> incredible. I
> >>>>> was not aware of anything for about a month but my husband had
> >>>>> the
> support
> >>>>> that he needed. Once I began to recover The Seeing Eye was there
> >>>>> to
> support
> >>>>> Belle and I as we began to work together again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica
> Sears via
> >>>>>>>> NAGDU
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:54 AM
> >>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
> Users
> >>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>> Cc: Jessica Sears <jlsears86 at gmail.com>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I am so fascinated by old Seeing Eye stories we are sharing.
> >>>>>>>> I
> would
> >>>>> love to hear more from people on how things really have changed
> >>>>> from
> early
> >>>>> 80's to now. I wonder if anyone is here that met the real Morris?
> >>>>>>>> Jess
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 12:49 AM Suzette May via NAGDU
> >>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I went to The Seeing Eye in September/October of 2022 for my
> guide,
> >>>>>>>>> a large, long, male Sable German Shepherd named Boden. I
> >>>>>>>>> had
> Lukas
> >>>>>>>>> Franck as my instructor and Joan Markey was our class manager.
> >>>>>>>>> Anyone remember the high school route? Well, Lukas was quite
> fond of
> >>>>>>>>> that one and I think I did that beast about 3 or 4 times.
> >>>>>>>>> They haven't had that as a route for years but we did it. I
> >>>>>>>>> think
> that
> >>>>>>>>> thing was uphill both ways. It sure felt like it.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> As far as retirements go, I know Lukas retired at the end
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>> September.
> >>>>>>>>> Lee Johnson retired earlier in 2023, I think. I was sad to
> >>>>>>>>> hear
> Jeff
> >>>>>>>>> McMullen retired. Joan Markey started at The Seeing Eye
> >>>>>>>>> within a
> few
> >>>>>>>>> years of Lukas so that might happen in a year or two.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Nice to see all the different schools on here. It's
> >>>>>>>>> interesting hearing everyones stories.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> *Suzette May*
> >>>>>>>>> *PS139.13 at gmail.com <PS139.13 at gmail.com>*
> >>>>>>>>> *512-564-0152*
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU <
> >>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you for all the comments about Seeing Eye. It is
> >>>>>>>>>> great to know I
> >>>>>>>>> will
> >>>>>>>>>> have an excellent class manager who will answer questions
> >>>>>>>>>> and listen to concerns. I'll tell a little more of my story
> >>>>>>>>>> below in case more reassurances are forth coming.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I retired my second dog in the fall of 2021 shortly before
> >>>>>>>>>> my daughter
> >>>>>>>>> was
> >>>>>>>>>> born. I did not complete the application process for my
> >>>>>>>>>> third
> dog
> >>>>>>>>>> for a while after that because well, motherhood. So I
> >>>>>>>>>> haven't worked a dog in almost 2 and a half years, which is
> >>>>>>>>>> the longest I've gone without the harness in my hand since
> >>>>>>>>>> 2008. I only had
> to
> >>>>>>>>>> wait like 5 months between
> >>>>>>>>> my
> >>>>>>>>>> first and second dogs.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> My life has changed completely in the last several years. I
> >>>>>>>>>> am a mom of a toddler now, and I feel like I need a unicorn
> >>>>>>>>>> of a
> dog. I
> >>>>>>>>>> live outside of Washington DC and take the metro a lot,
> >>>>>>>>>> walk a
> ton,
> >>>>>>>>>> and definitely deal with plenty of chaos and crowds. But I
> >>>>>>>>>> need
> a
> >>>>>>>>>> dog that will be gentle and forgiving of my toddler and
> tolerant of
> >>>>>>>>>> young children in general, since
> >>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>> looks like we'll be taking her to day care on a daily basis.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I am so nervous. Not only do I feel like I'm looking for a
> >>>>>>>>>> dog
> that
> >>>>>>>>>> might not exist, but I also fear a mismatch. I know
> >>>>>>>>>> everyone has them, but I haven't had one yet. My first two
> >>>>>>>>>> dogs were great matches, and my second dog in particular
> >>>>>>>>>> was an amazing worker
> and
> >>>>>>>>>> could pretty much read my mind.
> >>>>>>>>> So,
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I can get that level of awesome in a dog
> >>>>>>>>>> again. The Seeing
> >>>>>>>>> Eye
> >>>>>>>>>> is a new school for me, and although I've seen great dogs
> >>>>>>>>>> come
> out
> >>>>>>>>>> of there, I'm still nervous. I will be spending three weeks
> >>>>>>>>>> away from my family to
> >>>>>>>>> do
> >>>>>>>>>> this, and I want that time to count.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> There is truly nothing like working a dog though. Even with
> >>>>>>>>>> the rideshare denials and the airline forms, I have to do
> >>>>>>>>>> it. I
> have to
> >>>>>>>>>> try and do my best to make it work. I do plan on asking
> >>>>>>>>>> lots of questions when I'm there,
> >>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm not shy. So hopefully that will help.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I'm so glad there are so many happy Seeing Eye graduates on
> >>>>>>>>>> this
> >>>>> list.
> >>>>>>>>>> Hearing about your experiences is definitely helping. So
> >>>>>>>>>> thank
> you,
> >>>>>>>>>> and thanks for reading.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Julie
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Julie A. Orozco J.D.
> >>>>>>>>>>
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