[NAGDU] Seeing Eye
Buddy Brannan
buddy at brannan.name
Tue Mar 19 02:38:43 UTC 2024
When you mentioned the working dog lectures, do you mean the book *Working Dogs* by Jack Humphrey and Lucienne somebody? Or was there something else?
I’m signed up on archive for the print disability access to books, but I can’t figure out how to download stuff.
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Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
Email: buddy at brannan.name
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> On Mar 18, 2024, at 9:46 PM, Gretchen Brown via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I was able to find several older books such as a friend in darkness, and
> the working dog lectures that were written in around 1930 or so. Found
> them on the internet archive. You have to sign up for a print disabled
> access to get them. I don't remember all the titles, but there were quite a
> few about guide dogs in Germany and older books from 1800 about blindness.
> It takes some digging, but there are lots of out of print books available.
> Hope this helps. Archive.org Gretchen Brown
>
> Gretchen Brown
> COTA/L
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 18, 2024 at 9:15 PM Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Replying only to you, buddy. Can't find cast off the darkness except for
>> hardcopy from Amazon. Checked bard, iBooks, Libby, and that was as far as I
>> could go.
>>
>> Vanessa and the zoo
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 18, 2024, at 6:39 PM, Buddy Brannan via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I have texts of all of them if someone hasn’t managed to grab them over
>> the past 25 years or so.
>>>
>>> There are several books by Peter Putnam. Besides Love In the Lead,
>> there’s The Triumph of the Seeing Eye, geared more towards late elementry
>> or middle school age. Also, Keep Your Head Up, Mr. Putnam, about his
>> getting his first guide Minnie in 1941, and Cast Off the Darkness, an
>> autobiographical memoir.
>>>
>>> I also have My Eyes Have a Cold Nose, and First Lady Of the Seeing Eye,
>> along with some other stuff. …
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Mar 18, 2024, at 11:45 AM, Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> There is a third book by Peter Putnam called triumph of The Seeing Eye.
>>>>
>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 16, 2024, at 12:17 AM, Jody ianuzzi via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Love on the lead was written by Peter Putnam. He also wrote another
>> book called keep your head up Mr. Putnam. They are both available on bard
>>>>> JODY
>>>>>
>>>>> To Boldly Go 🖖🏻
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> thunderwalker321 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "What's within you is stronger than what's in your way." NO BARRIERS
>> Erik Weihenmayer
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 9:13 PM, Lyn Gwizdak via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is great reading about TSE from many graduates. It was 1993 when
>> the
>>>>>> first renovation happened. They put a whole new second floor dorm wing
>>>>>> expanding the number of student rooms so they no longer had to have 2
>>>>>> people to a room anymore.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There's a book about the history of TSE called "Love in the Lead: the
>> 50
>>>>>> year history". Forgot who wrote it. The book was originally written
>> for
>>>>>> TSE 50th anniversary. It has been updated since then. It is available
>> at
>>>>>> the school. If anyone wants to read it, call the school. It may be on
>> BARD
>>>>>> or from an NLS library for the Blind. I have the print paperback
>> version
>>>>>> since I can read regular books with my magnifying glasses. There's
>> great
>>>>>> old photos in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyn and Aristotle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Fri, Mar 15, 2024, 8:46 AM Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave and I were in class together when he got vanilla. Oh but the
>> story
>>>>>>> that I can tell about the employee who worked at The Seeing Eye who
>> lost
>>>>>>> his dog. It's a long story so here goes. David had gone into his
>> room and I
>>>>>>> guess thought he had put the dog on tiedown. Or at a minimum had
>> closed his
>>>>>>> door all the way and was just letting the dog hang out in the room.
>> Well,
>>>>>>> his door was not closed all the way. So unboned Dave, who was
>> beginning to
>>>>>>> lose his hearing, vanilla snuck out. Vanilla had it into the room of
>>>>>>> another student (room unoccupied at that moment), and stole that
>> students
>>>>>>> dogs nail bone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vanilla was found by housecleaning staff out in the hallway enjoying
>> said
>>>>>>> Nyla bone. Dog was collected and handed over to an instructor. Bone
>> was
>>>>>>> collected and taken down into the office that the instructor used at
>> that
>>>>>>> time affectionately known as the swamp (Bonnie, you would remember
>> the
>>>>>>> swamp).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Student and dog and who's running the invasion theft had taken place
>>>>>>> returned to their room only to find that they couldn't find the not
>> bone.
>>>>>>> So Joan Markey is summoned to look for the bone in the room. No
>> luck. Joan
>>>>>>> goes down into the swamp, find an bone that wasn't there before, and
>>>>>>> determined that it was probably the missing bone.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In the meantime, Dave discovers that he's missing a dog. I was
>> downstairs
>>>>>>> in the foyer waiting to be picked up to go to church. I hear somebody
>>>>>>> creeping down the stairs and in a loud whisper calling the dog. Of
>> course,
>>>>>>> I am sitting in the foyer many many feet away hearing this and
>> quietly
>>>>>>> laughing. Especially because it was Dave.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dave disappeared back upstairs, at at some point, he and Van were
>>>>>>> reunited. Fast-forward to lunchtime. Dave, Joan, and I sat at the
>> same
>>>>>>> table. Or at least I think Dave was also at the table. Anyway at
>> least most
>>>>>>> of the involved parties were there, but gosh! That was in 2004. One
>> of us
>>>>>>> started telling the story from one of the perspectives. I can't even
>>>>>>> remember which perspective. Missing dog, missing bone, or hearing
>> Dave
>>>>>>> search for his dog without any luck. As we all told our segments of
>> the
>>>>>>> story putting the entire situation together, our table was in
>> stitches as
>>>>>>> we laughed and laughed. One of the funniest memories that I have
>> ever had
>>>>>>> while at The Seeing Eye!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Mar 15, 2024, at 2:28 AM, Bonnie Mosen via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I met Mr. Whitstock in my first class. I think he had a Shepherd
>> named
>>>>>>> Meghan.
>>>>>>>> I believe he retired not long after that.
>>>>>>>> Dave Loux is such a nice guy.
>>>>>>>> He had Abigail when I first met him in 1990.
>>>>>>>> When I worked at TSE he had Alice and Vanilla. Vanilla was such a
>> sweet,
>>>>>>> funny dog.
>>>>>>>> She would steal yvonna's toys, and one day after all the toys were
>> gone
>>>>>>> she tried to take Yvonna.
>>>>>>>> I guess she thought the big fluffy golden was a toy dog.
>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>> Bonnie and Eclipse
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Joy via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, March 15, 2024 11:25 AM
>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users' <
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: joy.relton at icloud.com
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh yes, If I'm not mistaken he once had a Saluki which is an
>> Egyptian
>>>>>>> dog, I think.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also do you remember Mr. Whitstock? For those who don't know these
>>>>>>> gentlemen, I believe were some of the first blind employees at The
>> Seeing
>>>>>>> Eye. Of course, there have been and are others.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Margo Downey
>> via
>>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 1:01 PM
>>>>>>>> To: 'NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users' <
>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> Cc: Margo Downey <margo.downey at roadrunner.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Oh, I remember Zilla and David. Awesome people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Margo and Tami
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU [mailto:nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Buddy
>>>>>>> Brannan via NAGDU
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 3:50 PM
>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog Users
>>>>>>>> Cc: Buddy Brannan
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Zilla was a sweetheart. Maybe retired when I got Chet, but even if
>> she
>>>>>>> wasn’t, she was definitely in evidence and was absolutely
>> delightful. And
>>>>>>> yeah, David Loux. Great guy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Buddy Brannan, KB5ELV, WRVB670 - Erie, PA
>>>>>>>> Email: buddy at brannan.name
>>>>>>>> Mobile: (814) 431-0962
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 2:33 PM, Vanessa Lowery via NAGDU <
>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I never met more Frank, but my best friend in North Carolina (my
>> home
>>>>>>> state) did get to meet him. Did Krokus was there when I was in
>> training
>>>>>>> with my first dog in 1982. So was Dan Booke pronounced Booker). I
>> never
>>>>>>> worked with Roger Taylor in class. Nor did I do so with Gary Matoon.
>> But I
>>>>>>> did get to know both of them. Gary was a hoot, and I must confess, I
>> never
>>>>>>> was one of the victims of a Roger Taylor prank, but I'm sure that he
>> could
>>>>>>> be quite ingenious about it. An and then there was absolutely sweet,
>>>>>>> gracious ROBERT Woodstock. What a gentleman. and David Loux. And for
>> us
>>>>>>> dinosaurs, how many of you remember the person on the housekeeping
>> staff,
>>>>>>> zilla husbands. She had the most wonderful laugh, so we would all do
>>>>>>> anything to get her to laugh. And then there was Paul Parsley, the
>> school
>>>>>>> mom! You either loved her or hated her, but you grew to respect her.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Vanessa and the zoo
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mar 14, 2024, at 1:57 PM, Joy via NAGDU <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jessica,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> My first class was in 1976. I didn't meet Mr. Frank. I did meet
>> Mr.
>>>>>>> Crocus and Mr. Debeta. Of course, I also got to know Mr. Gary
>> Mattoon.
>>>>>>> Please forgive my spelling in the names. Mr. Mattoon trained my
>> second dog
>>>>>>> Zenith but Lucas Franc trained Zenith and I together. Lucas used to
>> call
>>>>>>> him Atoshi.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mr. Roger Taylor my first trainer with Vicki (my first Vicki) was
>> a
>>>>>>> story teller. Since my dad was also a story teller I was right at
>> home. He
>>>>>>> was also a practical joker. He once swopped the harness of a 1
>> hundred
>>>>>>> pound shepherd for a 40 pound shepherd during dinner. In those days,
>> I
>>>>>>> can't remember if we still do this, we hung our dogs' harness on the
>> back
>>>>>>> of our chair during dinner when we first started using them because
>> they
>>>>>>> were stiff and hadn't yet gotten enough softening by the saddle soap.
>>>>>>> Anyway, the man who used the larger shepherd was a very tall man from
>>>>>>> Louisiana and he has the wonderful slow southern accent. The woman
>> who had
>>>>>>> been matched with the smaller shepherd, and my roommate, was a
>> smaller
>>>>>>> woman from Canada. When we got up to leave after dinner and began to
>> put on
>>>>>>> our dogs' harnesses I can still hear Joe say "something sure is
>> wrong here
>>>>>>> because there's no way this is gonna fit on my dog."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In those days everyone was called by their last names. It was to
>>>>>>> maintain an atmosphere of respect.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once when I was walking down the street with Vicki a man came up
>> to me
>>>>>>> and told me that he was with the police and wondered if I had a
>> license to
>>>>>>> operate my dog. I sputtered for a while and then asked "do you know
>> Mr.
>>>>>>> Roger Taylor?". The man started laughing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are some things which have changed and become more modern
>> at The
>>>>>>> Seeing Eye, but, to me, the one thing that remains the same is the
>> emphasis
>>>>>>> on quality of breeding and training of dogs. In my experience, if
>> you come
>>>>>>> with an attitude that you want to learn how to work with your new
>> partner
>>>>>>> and ask lots of questions you end up with a partner who will work
>> with you
>>>>>>> for years. There are going to be some partnerships which don't work,
>> but I
>>>>>>> believe that it is the minority of the partnership. Of course, that
>> isn't
>>>>>>> much comfort if you are the one experiencing the issue at the time.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also, in 2005 I collapsed with a burst aneurism in my brain and
>> was in
>>>>>>> intensive care for a month and then in rehab for another month
>> before I
>>>>>>> came home. My husband called The Seeing Eye and got advice as to
>> what to do
>>>>>>> to help Belle adjust to the new situation. The support was
>> incredible. I
>>>>>>> was not aware of anything for about a month but my husband had the
>> support
>>>>>>> that he needed. Once I began to recover The Seeing Eye was there to
>> support
>>>>>>> Belle and I as we began to work together again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: NAGDU <nagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jessica
>> Sears via
>>>>>>>>>> NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2024 6:54 AM
>>>>>>>>>> To: NAGDU Mailing List, the National Association of Guide Dog
>> Users
>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Jessica Sears <jlsears86 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NAGDU] Seeing Eye
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am so fascinated by old Seeing Eye stories we are sharing. I
>> would
>>>>>>> love to hear more from people on how things really have changed from
>> early
>>>>>>> 80's to now. I wonder if anyone is here that met the real Morris?
>>>>>>>>>> Jess
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 14, 2024 at 12:49 AM Suzette May via NAGDU
>>>>>>>>>>> <nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I went to The Seeing Eye in September/October of 2022 for my
>> guide,
>>>>>>>>>>> a large, long, male Sable German Shepherd named Boden. I had
>> Lukas
>>>>>>>>>>> Franck as my instructor and Joan Markey was our class manager.
>>>>>>>>>>> Anyone remember the high school route? Well, Lukas was quite
>> fond of
>>>>>>>>>>> that one and I think I did that beast about 3 or 4 times. They
>>>>>>>>>>> haven't had that as a route for years but we did it. I think
>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> thing was uphill both ways. It sure felt like it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As far as retirements go, I know Lukas retired at the end of
>>>>>>> September.
>>>>>>>>>>> Lee Johnson retired earlier in 2023, I think. I was sad to hear
>> Jeff
>>>>>>>>>>> McMullen retired. Joan Markey started at The Seeing Eye within a
>> few
>>>>>>>>>>> years of Lukas so that might happen in a year or two.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Nice to see all the different schools on here. It's interesting
>>>>>>>>>>> hearing everyones stories.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Suzette May*
>>>>>>>>>>> *PS139.13 at gmail.com <PS139.13 at gmail.com>*
>>>>>>>>>>> *512-564-0152*
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 13, 2024 at 1:00 PM Julie A. Orozco via NAGDU <
>>>>>>>>>>> nagdu at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you for all the comments about Seeing Eye. It is great to
>>>>>>>>>>>> know I
>>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>>>>>> have an excellent class manager who will answer questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>> listen to concerns. I'll tell a little more of my story below in
>>>>>>>>>>>> case more reassurances are forth coming.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I retired my second dog in the fall of 2021 shortly before my
>>>>>>>>>>>> daughter
>>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>>>> born. I did not complete the application process for my third
>> dog
>>>>>>>>>>>> for a while after that because well, motherhood. So I haven't
>>>>>>>>>>>> worked a dog in almost 2 and a half years, which is the longest
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've gone without the harness in my hand since 2008. I only had
>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait like 5 months between
>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>> first and second dogs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> My life has changed completely in the last several years. I am a
>>>>>>>>>>>> mom of a toddler now, and I feel like I need a unicorn of a
>> dog. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> live outside of Washington DC and take the metro a lot, walk a
>> ton,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and definitely deal with plenty of chaos and crowds. But I need
>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> dog that will be gentle and forgiving of my toddler and
>> tolerant of
>>>>>>>>>>>> young children in general, since
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>>> looks like we'll be taking her to day care on a daily basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am so nervous. Not only do I feel like I'm looking for a dog
>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> might not exist, but I also fear a mismatch. I know everyone has
>>>>>>>>>>>> them, but I haven't had one yet. My first two dogs were great
>>>>>>>>>>>> matches, and my second dog in particular was an amazing worker
>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> could pretty much read my mind.
>>>>>>>>>>> So,
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure I can get that level of awesome in a dog again. The
>>>>>>>>>>>> Seeing
>>>>>>>>>>> Eye
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a new school for me, and although I've seen great dogs come
>> out
>>>>>>>>>>>> of there, I'm still nervous. I will be spending three weeks away
>>>>>>>>>>>> from my family to
>>>>>>>>>>> do
>>>>>>>>>>>> this, and I want that time to count.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is truly nothing like working a dog though. Even with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> rideshare denials and the airline forms, I have to do it. I
>> have to
>>>>>>>>>>>> try and do my best to make it work. I do plan on asking lots of
>>>>>>>>>>>> questions when I'm there,
>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not shy. So hopefully that will help.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm so glad there are so many happy Seeing Eye graduates on this
>>>>>>> list.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hearing about your experiences is definitely helping. So thank
>> you,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and thanks for reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Julie A. Orozco J.D.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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