[NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators

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It's something you have to get used to. For those of us who have read it since we were children, to learn UEB, we have to read it all the time. I took the Hadley course, and then, I wrote a book teaching it. I used it all the time. It was the only way to get used to it. I got certified twice, but I knew that, to succeed, I had to practice it all the time. It's really not all that different once you get used to it. 😊 good luck.

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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 9:29 AM
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators

Thanks for the suggestion. It helps I'm getting books and magazines in UEB so I can see the rules in practice. Am I the only one struggling with UEB? I was trained in EBAE at age five, in 1991. So UEB literally feels wrong to me. It's also hard getting used to the decontractions of by, to and other ones. I liked those contractions and computer braille, too...





On Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:17:30 AM EDT, Steve Jacobson via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote: 





Jen,

Everybody is different, but I found as long as I wrote in EBAE, UEB just didn't stick that well for me.  Especially since you are taking the UEB certification for some reason, I would think that it might be worth trying to write in UEB as well.  In my case, I found that using UEB when I used a braille display on my iPhone really revealed my errors to me.  I had to be careful to listen to my text messages before sending, of course, but it helped me.  I won't tell you that I was always happy with my progress, though, but it worked for me better than hanging on to EBAE.

Most people who are just reading braille can read both codes without a lot of work, but if one is transcribing or proofreading, one really has to be able to think in UEB, and that takes mor work.  I don't do either, but I worked some with braille translation software and wanted to learn to think in UEB for that reason. 

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson

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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators

Thank you so much! I'm keeping this e-mail for future reference. Hopefully, I won't struggle with UEB like this in the future. Even if I get relatively good ate UEB, I'll always braille for myself in EBAE. Actually, I wonder if people still want or use EBAE now or if it will even be recognized by notetakers and embossers.






On Monday, August 30, 2021, 06:43:26 AM EDT, Brown, Debbie via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote: 





About Jen's confusion about the bold indicator:  One of the basic concepts of UEB is that each braille sign is composed of a root plus possibly one or more prefixes.  Prefixes are all of the righthand characters (the octave sings if you are a braille music user) plus the number indicator (dots 3456).  By this rule, the final character could not be dot 5.  All of the typeform indicators work the same way, with dot 2 for word indicators, dots 23 for letter indicators, and dots 2356 for passage indicators.  The way I keep them straight is that dots 45 is the bold indicator (it looks a little like "b" for "bold"); dots 46 is italic (like the old braille italic sign); dots 456 is underline (like the old computer braille code underscore indicator).  

Debbie Brown


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Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] I'm Kind of Excited #2

Hi guys,

Do you know where I can buy the large envelopes for mailing materials for the course? Thanks!

Course update - I completed Exercise Two, my first assignment. It was a lot harder than I thought, due to UEB, but I got through it in about two hours. I'm sure I made mistakes, but that's okay because if I was perfect, I wouldn't need to be in the course. I plan to spend the time waiting for an instructor practicing the drills for Lesson Two. I decided to start with the exercise and then go back and do the drills so I could really see where I needed work. I finally figured out, while doing the drills yesterday, the right dot combination for the boldface indicator - it's dots 4-5 and dot 2, not dots 4-5 and dot 5. Which means I mixed up the running head for the whole exercise. Darn it. But I got the centering and margins right.

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