[NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators

Sahar's Beaded Creations saharhusseini at gmail.com
Mon Aug 30 15:57:45 UTC 2021 

That makes sense because you weren't used to it like we were, smile. Habits are very tough to break. 😊

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Sahar Husseini
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Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 10:51 AM
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators

All,

Unpopular opinion, but I much, much prefer UEB to EBAE. I grew up sighted, and I can practically fly through UEB in comparison. I have to do so much less decoding and recoding with UEB.



On 8/30/21, Sahar's Beaded Creations via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It's something you have to get used to. For those of us who have read 
> it since we were children, to learn UEB, we have to read it all the 
> time. I took the Hadley course, and then, I wrote a book teaching it. 
> I used it all the time. It was the only way to get used to it. I got 
> certified twice, but I knew that, to succeed, I had to practice it all 
> the time. It's really not all that different once you get used to it. 😊 good luck.
>
> Warm regards,
> Sahar Husseini
> For hand-crafted, one-of-a-kind jewelry, please visit my Website at 
> www.saharscreations.com Find me on Facebook at 
> www.facebook.com/saharscreations And remember, “Obstacles don't have 
> to stop you.  If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up.
> Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it."
> Michael Jordan
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jen via 
> NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 9:29 AM
> To: Steve Jacobson via NFB-Braille-Discussion 
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> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. It helps I'm getting books and magazines in 
> UEB so I can see the rules in practice. Am I the only one struggling 
> with UEB? I was trained in EBAE at age five, in 1991. So UEB literally 
> feels wrong to me. It's also hard getting used to the decontractions 
> of by, to and other ones. I liked those contractions and computer braille, too...
>
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> On Monday, August 30, 2021, 10:17:30 AM EDT, Steve Jacobson via 
> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Jen,
>
> Everybody is different, but I found as long as I wrote in EBAE, UEB 
> just didn't stick that well for me.  Especially since you are taking 
> the UEB certification for some reason, I would think that it might be 
> worth trying to write in UEB as well.  In my case, I found that using 
> UEB when I used a braille display on my iPhone really revealed my 
> errors to me.  I had to be careful to listen to my text messages 
> before sending, of course, but it helped me.  I won't tell you that I 
> was always happy with my progress, though, but it worked for me better than hanging on to EBAE.
>
> Most people who are just reading braille can read both codes without a 
> lot of work, but if one is transcribing or proofreading, one really 
> has to be able to think in UEB, and that takes mor work.  I don't do 
> either, but I worked some with braille translation software and wanted 
> to learn to think in UEB for that reason.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Steve Jacobson
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jen via 
> NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2021 7:45 AM
> To: Brown, Debbie via NFB-Braille-Discussion 
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> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] UEB indicators
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> Thank you so much! I'm keeping this e-mail for future reference. 
> Hopefully, I won't struggle with UEB like this in the future. Even if 
> I get relatively good ate UEB, I'll always braille for myself in EBAE. 
> Actually, I wonder if people still want or use EBAE now or if it will 
> even be recognized by notetakers and embossers.
>
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> On Monday, August 30, 2021, 06:43:26 AM EDT, Brown, Debbie via 
> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> About Jen's confusion about the bold indicator:  One of the basic 
> concepts of UEB is that each braille sign is composed of a root plus 
> possibly one or more prefixes.  Prefixes are all of the righthand 
> characters (the octave sings if you are a braille music user) plus the 
> number indicator (dots 3456).  By this rule, the final character could 
> not be dot 5.  All of the typeform indicators work the same way, with 
> dot 2 for word indicators, dots
> 23 for letter indicators, and dots 2356 for passage indicators.  The 
> way I keep them straight is that dots 45 is the bold indicator (it 
> looks a little like "b" for "bold"); dots 46 is italic (like the old 
> braille italic sign); dots 456 is underline (like the old computer 
> braille code underscore indicator).
>
> Debbie Brown
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> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Jen via 
> NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Saturday, August 28, 2021 12:23 PM
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> Cc: Jen <spiderweb1 at sbcglobal.net>
> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] I'm Kind of Excited #2
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> Hi guys,
>
> Do you know where I can buy the large envelopes for mailing materials 
> for the course? Thanks!
>
> Course update - I completed Exercise Two, my first assignment. It was 
> a lot harder than I thought, due to UEB, but I got through it in about two hours.
> I'm sure I made mistakes, but that's okay because if I was perfect, I 
> wouldn't need to be in the course. I plan to spend the time waiting 
> for an instructor practicing the drills for Lesson Two. I decided to 
> start with the exercise and then go back and do the drills so I could 
> really see where I needed work. I finally figured out, while doing the 
> drills yesterday, the right dot combination for the boldface indicator 
> - it's dots 4-5 and dot 2, not dots 4-5 and dot 5. Which means I mixed 
> up the running head for the whole exercise. Darn it. But I got the centering and margins right.
>
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