[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Dean Martineau
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Fri Mar 17 22:30:14 UTC 2023
I haven't read every message in this thread, but most of them. I am a total
partisan of electronic braille, because some displays like the Orbit Reader
the braille is much easier to feel, and because thanks to BookShare, the
amount of braille available is great. I've always been a one-hand reader,
they wanted me to use my other hand as a guide but I had already learned
one-handed and saw no point to it, so they gave up. The second hand is even
less necessary with electronic braille, though I suppose using it could
increase speed slightly.
As for speed, I believe, with no evidence or knowledge to back me up, that
one should frequently read a document which either has simple vocabulary, is
familiar or both, and force yourself to read fast. Practice time is clearly
essential. As a child I wanted to read, and plus did a lot of it in school
so I was practicing.
Encouraging and thought-provoking reading
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Hi Mike,
Very well said!
I have RP and have been slowly going blind since age 13 or so, when "they"
told me I needed glasses. But the glasses never helped so I never used them.
I got my driver's license back than and luckily I never hit anybody,
although I did have several fender benders. Finally in my 20's it was
diagnosed correctly. Then in my late 30's I couldn't read normal size print
without a hand held magnifier. Over the decades, I graduated to reading
large print books with the magnifier in my hand and finally adding reading
magnification glasses to that mix. I gave myself carpal tunnel syndrome from
using the magnifier on long bus rides to work in the mornings. I gave myself
a neck problem from trying to put my eyes closer to file drawers and
computer desktop monitors to see them. It was such a relief, like you
described, when I finally learned braille. Now I read braille between 40 to
90 words a minute, depending on how focused and alert I am.
I once heard Jerry Whittle and Fred Schroeder say that it's difficult for
people learning braille when "older" to break 100 words a minute. I keep
pushing myself, but never cracked 100. But I'm happy if I can consistently
read at 80 words a minute. They say you can read a speech and sound natural
if you can read at 150. Sighted people who graduate high school and go to
college read at 200 to 250 words a minute. Braille readers who learn when
young can get up to 400 and above!
The teachers of blind kids , many sighted, are often very short sighted.
They don't realize how reading enlarged print brings on headaches and eye
strain and very very slow reading speeds.
I used to talk with parents of blind kids about braille. And if I found out
their kids were reading magnified print and not braille I suggested that
they have teachers measure their reading speed and not compare the results
with their "peers" but with the average kid at their grade level (that is
sighted peers as opposed to partially blind peers). The parents were always
shocked. But the teachers and initially the parents did not want their
partially blind kids to look "blind" by reading braille. But the teachers
never told parents the truth and what the research says - that blind people
who have satisfying well paid jobs are most likely to use braille on a daily
basis.
I am retired now, but I still talk to anyone I can about this short
sightedness in Hawaii public school system because I think it's a tragedy.
Many partially blind kids I have worked with after graduating high school
hate reading and they do not read for pleasure ever. And I understand why.
So I encourage you to read as much as you can. You can get magazines from
NLS in braille. While NLS may have much more audio, I have been able to keep
myself supplied in braille reading material.
Also, the NFB at NFB.org can send you braille copies of their publications
like the Braille Monitor, every month. It would take me more than a month to
get through them so they piled up in my dining room-lol.
The thing about reading hard copy braille is that it's the best way to
practice techniques for reading speed. But I'm sure you could also do it on
a braille electronic display, although it might take longer.
Good luck to you.
Debbie
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Debbie Gabe
I read your email with great interest. I'm 66 years old. I've been legally
blind my entire life. Due to the educational system I went through, I was
taught to read print since I could see (although I'm severely nearsighted
and my vision makes me a slow reader). I did not have the opportunity to
learn Braille in my early years. Being a partially sighted person, the
answer was always "make it bigger with magnification", "get a stronger pair
of glasses", and so on. This was the mentality of the sighted community
because sight was what they understood. And so I lived my life, until
around age 50, after trying these methods over and over, that I realized
that there was a limit to how well I could read if I used my vision. It
dawned on me that if I was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I
had to find a method that didn't use my eyesight. What an epiphany that
was!!
Enter Braille.
I started learning Braille at age 50. It was definitely an "eye-opener",
because it did exactly what I realized an alternate method would have to do.
It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision imposes. I
was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my reading speed. I've
been on that quest since then, and as I say, I'm now 66. Unfortunately, I
haven't achieved a reading speed I would like to have (say 150 words per
minute), but it's not for a lack of trying. Perhaps as you say . when
you're older and starting out, you may not achieve speeds that a younger
person will achieve when they start reading at age 6. I think this is
similar to playing the piano which I started seriously studying at age 60.
It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's another
topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop there.
These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display. You mention
that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is limited.
The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material will
be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in electronic
braille format or hardcopy braille. That leaves us readers who are
interested in Braille out in the cold. Bookshare is of course another
option.
In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille at a
younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point. All I can do
is read as much as I can. But I still stand behind my conviction that to
improve reading for a partially sighted person (and certainly for a totally
blind person), braille is the answer, and the sooner you embrace it and the
more you use it, the better off you'll be.
Thanks for posting your email. It was interesting reading.
Mike Jolls
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Hi,
I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got. I
took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to wait. I
read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the evening,
anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I still have not
yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the middle of at least 2
braille novels. I make labels for everything in braille. I write notes to
myself. For several years, before I finally retired, I taught braille.
If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as someone
who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make it useful and
enjoyable.
But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I go a
couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed is so much
slower, it frustrates me.
And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all 8
fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but more
between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books rather
than electronic braille displays where there is only a single line at a
time.
And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard all
those things.
Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to adults at
the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of articles that were
published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille Monitor, etc. Do a google
search for him. He died a while ago, but his articles are still out there.
He has several on increasing reading speed.
Good luck.
And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of Hawaii
holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host. We discuss
anything and everything about braille, , including increasing reading speed.
If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will send
you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm west coast
time, and 4 pm eastern time).
Best.
Debbie Gabe
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From: NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On
Behalf Of Ramona via NFB-Braille-Discussion
Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
<nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going to
give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in Braille,
anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books, some business
reports-you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A Braille student came
to me for a recipe and took it down using her slate and stylus. She said: I
am going to college and want my noses in Braille, but I am too slow. I
answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most freshmen
do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your notes with others,
so do the best you can and see how fast you improve. At Christmas break she
came back for another recipe and wrote it on the slate like a pro. I said:
Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but she had
taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her classes for one
semester and truly had no more concerns about speed. Second example: We had
a student with a phD who was losing vision so was a fast reader in print.
She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of braille
during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a week. It took
her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code, and then she began
reading whatever she wished. At the end of six months she took a timed
reading test and read 150 words per minute. She said the effort was worth
the results. That was the right time for her to do it. Students who learn as
children keep up their speed pretty easily. If the speed has increased as an
adult, you need to keep on reading regularly to maintain it.
suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your fingers
moving to the right, so you are getting part from context, but do not go
back and worry about single words, so your muscle memory is being
developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and recorded material. Set the
player just a little faster than you can read the Braille and make yourself
keep up. 3. If you did not get the sense from context, read the entire page
again, keeping up your speed, three or four times if necessary. It will
come! Mabel Nading and I did lots of testing of speed building at the Iowa
Commission for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot
by their success. Determination and discipline make a huge difference. I
think some of this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
Best,
Ramona
On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
<nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Sahar,
>
> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially
> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>
> Sanho
>
> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
> > see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
> > read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
> > that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
> > braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
> > school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
> > everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
> > don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad
> > how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Sahar Husseini
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
> > <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
> > Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
> > To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
> > <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> >
> > I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
> > articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
> > Braille and increasing their speed. I think the recommendations are
> > generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour if
> > possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to
> > build
up their speed.
> >
> > I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
> > without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
> > <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> > Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
> > To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> >
> > Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have weeks
> > where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch braille
> > at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm currently
> > reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand what I'm
> > reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
> >
> > On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> > <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
> >> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
> >> spend reading each day?
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
> >> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
> >> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
> >> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> >> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> >>
> >> Mike,
> >>
> >> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
> >> to use as they wish.
> >>
> >> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
> >> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
> >>
> >> Warmth,
> >> Sanho
> >>
> >> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> >> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well .
> >>> here are my tips
> >>>
> >>> Don't scrub
> >>> Light touch
> >>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at first
> >>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
> >>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line - but
> >>> right eventually separates from left and finishes while left goes
> >>> to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost
> >>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
> >>>
> >>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested in
> >>> getting a list of those myself.
> >>>
> >>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
> >>>
> >>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a
> >>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the braille
> >>> display in "auto advance" mode and read a document. The screen
> >>> reader will automatically advance to the next line and refresh the
> >>> display with the next line of text. This will force you to keep up.
> >>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough at
> >>> first so you can keep up with it. Then as you get better, set it
> >>> a bit faster. It's like taking a shorthand class where the
> >>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
> >>> You do get faster as time goes on. I'm still working on this.
> >>>
> >>> Second tip for the braille display. In your screen reader
> >>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
> >>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button. By default (at
> >>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the
> >>> right panning button on the display. But this means that you have
> >>> to move your hand to the right side of the display in order to
> >>> pan. And when you're on a short line, it takes a second or two to
> >>> do that. Result is that you lose a couple of seconds every time
> >>> you have to move your hand to the right side of the display. By
> >>> switching the forward pan function to the left button, you don't
> >>> have to move your right hand to the end of the display to press
> >>> the pan forward button. Your left hand is always there on the
> >>> left button, so it takes less time to pan forward. This will save
> >>> a little time (every bit helps) but the majority of your time
> >>> savings
will be in the tips before this one.
> >>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
> >>> another blind user that this is the way to go. Saving the second
> >>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
> >>>
> >>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
> >>>
> >>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are welcome
> >>> regarding what I've said.
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
> >>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
> >>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
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> >>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
> >>>
> >>> Hi, all,
> >>>
> >>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much significant
> >>> reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading braille at about
> >>> a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much as I need to.
> >>>
> >>> Warmth,
> >>> Sanho
> >>> --
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