[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Debbie Gabe
dgabe808 at gmail.com
Sat Mar 18 18:50:10 UTC 2023
That's criminal, I think. What an idiot!Another person with low expectations of the blind.
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Many years ago I once heard the Director of special education state that if a child can read one letter at a time on a CCTV then they don’t have to learn braille
JODY
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> On Mar 17, 2023, at 5:33 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Debbie,
>
> Love everything you said here, but wanted to point out that in fact,
> the average sighted high school senior reads at a minimum of 250 words
> a minute. 240 is actually considered slow for an adult. Source:
> https://scholarwithin.com/average-reading-speed
>
>> On 3/17/23, Debbie Gabe via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mike,
>> Very well said!
>> I have RP and have been slowly going blind since age 13 or so, when "they"
>> told me I needed glasses. But the glasses never helped so I never
>> used them.
>> I got my driver's license back than and luckily I never hit anybody,
>> although I did have several fender benders. Finally in my 20's it was
>> diagnosed correctly. Then in my late 30's I couldn't read normal size
>> print without a hand held magnifier. Over the decades, I graduated to
>> reading large print books with the magnifier in my hand and finally
>> adding reading magnification glasses to that mix. I gave myself
>> carpal tunnel syndrome from using the magnifier on long bus rides to
>> work in the mornings. I gave myself a neck problem from trying to put
>> my eyes closer to file drawers and computer desktop monitors to see
>> them. It was such a relief, like you described, when I finally
>> learned braille. Now I read braille between 40 to
>> 90 words a minute, depending on how focused and alert I am.
>>
>> I once heard Jerry Whittle and Fred Schroeder say that it's difficult
>> for people learning braille when "older" to break 100 words a minute.
>> I keep pushing myself, but never cracked 100. But I'm happy if I can
>> consistently read at 80 words a minute. They say you can read a
>> speech and sound natural if you can read at 150. Sighted people who
>> graduate high school and go to college read at 200 to 250 words a
>> minute. Braille readers who learn when young can get up to 400 and above!
>>
>> The teachers of blind kids , many sighted, are often very short sighted.
>> They don't realize how reading enlarged print brings on headaches and
>> eye strain and very very slow reading speeds.
>> I used to talk with parents of blind kids about braille. And if I
>> found out their kids were reading magnified print and not braille I
>> suggested that they have teachers measure their reading speed and not
>> compare the results with their "peers" but with the average kid at
>> their grade level (that is sighted peers as opposed to partially
>> blind peers). The parents were always shocked. But the teachers and
>> initially the parents did not want their partially blind kids to
>> look "blind" by reading braille. But the teachers never told parents
>> the truth and what the research says - that blind people who have
>> satisfying well paid jobs are most likely to use braille on a daily
>> basis.
>>
>> I am retired now, but I still talk to anyone I can about this short
>> sightedness in Hawaii public school system because I think it's a tragedy.
>> Many partially blind kids I have worked with after graduating high
>> school hate reading and they do not read for pleasure ever. And I understand why.
>>
>> So I encourage you to read as much as you can. You can get magazines
>> from NLS in braille. While NLS may have much more audio, I have been
>> able to keep myself supplied in braille reading material.
>> Also, the NFB at NFB.org can send you braille copies of their
>> publications like the Braille Monitor, every month. It would take me
>> more than a month to get through them so they piled up in my dining
>> room-lol.
>>
>> The thing about reading hard copy braille is that it's the best way
>> to practice techniques for reading speed. But I'm sure you could also
>> do it on a braille electronic display, although it might take longer.
>> Good luck to you.
>> Debbie
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mike Jolls
>> via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 2:56 AM
>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>
>> Debbie Gabe
>>
>> I read your email with great interest. I'm 66 years old. I've been
>> legally blind my entire life. Due to the educational system I went
>> through, I was taught to read print since I could see (although I'm
>> severely nearsighted and my vision makes me a slow reader). I did
>> not have the opportunity to learn Braille in my early years. Being a
>> partially sighted person, the answer was always "make it bigger with
>> magnification", "get a stronger pair of glasses", and so on. This
>> was the mentality of the sighted community because sight was what
>> they understood. And so I lived my life, until around age 50, after
>> trying these methods over and over, that I realized that there was a
>> limit to how well I could read if I used my vision. It dawned on me
>> that if I was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I had to
>> find a method that didn't use my eyesight. What an epiphany that
>> was!!
>>
>> Enter Braille.
>>
>> I started learning Braille at age 50. It was definitely an
>> "eye-opener", because it did exactly what I realized an alternate
>> method would have to do.
>> It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision
>> imposes. I was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my
>> reading speed. I've been on that quest since then, and as I say, I'm
>> now 66. Unfortunately, I haven't achieved a reading speed I would
>> like to have (say 150 words per minute), but it's not for a lack of
>> trying. Perhaps as you say . when you're older and starting out, you
>> may not achieve speeds that a younger person will achieve when they
>> start reading at age 6. I think this is similar to playing the piano which I started seriously studying at age 60.
>> It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's
>> another topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop there.
>>
>> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display. You
>> mention that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is limited.
>> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material
>> will be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in
>> electronic braille format or hardcopy braille. That leaves us
>> readers who are interested in Braille out in the cold. Bookshare is
>> of course another option.
>>
>> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille
>> at a younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
>> All I can do is read as much as I can. But I still stand behind my
>> conviction that to improve reading for a partially sighted person
>> (and certainly for a totally blind person), braille is the answer,
>> and the sooner you embrace it and the more you use it, the better off you'll be.
>>
>> Thanks for posting your email. It was interesting reading.
>>
>> Mike Jolls
>>
>>
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>> From: Debbie Gabe via
>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
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>> List'<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>
>> Hi,
>> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
>> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got.
>> I
>> took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to wait.
>> I
>> read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the
>> evening, anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I
>> still have not yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the
>> middle of at least 2 braille novels. I make labels for everything in
>> braille. I write notes to myself. For several years, before I finally
>> retired, I taught braille.
>>
>> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as
>> someone who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make
>> it useful and enjoyable.
>>
>> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I
>> go a couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed
>> is so much slower, it frustrates me.
>>
>> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all
>> 8 fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but
>> more between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
>> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books
>> rather than electronic braille displays where there is only a single
>> line at a time.
>> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard
>> all those things.
>>
>> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to
>> adults at the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of
>> articles that were published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille
>> Monitor, etc. Do a google search for him. He died a while ago, but his articles are still out there.
>> He has several on increasing reading speed.
>>
>> Good luck.
>> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of
>> Hawaii holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host.
>> We discuss anything and everything about braille, , including
>> increasing reading speed.
>> If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will
>> send you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm
>> west coast time, and 4 pm eastern time).
>>
>> Best.
>> Debbie Gabe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via
>> NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
>> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>
>> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going
>> to give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in
>> Braille, anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books,
>> some business reports-you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A
>> Braille student came to me for a recipe and took it down using her
>> slate and stylus. She said: I am going to college and want my noses
>> in Braille, but I am too slow. I
>> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most
>> freshmen do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your
>> notes with others, so do the best you can and see how fast you
>> improve. At Christmas break she came back for another recipe and wrote it on the slate like a pro. I said:
>> Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but
>> she had taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her classes
>> for one semester and truly had no more concerns about speed. Second
>> example: We had a student with a phD who was losing vision so was a fast reader in print.
>> She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of
>> braille during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a
>> week. It took her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code, and
>> then she began reading whatever she wished. At the end of six months
>> she took a timed reading test and read 150 words per minute. She said
>> the effort was worth the results. That was the right time for her to
>> do it. Students who learn as children keep up their speed pretty
>> easily. If the speed has increased as an adult, you need to keep on
>> reading regularly to maintain it.
>> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your
>> fingers moving to the right, so you are getting part from context,
>> but do not go back and worry about single words, so your muscle
>> memory is being developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and
>> recorded material. Set the player just a little faster than you can
>> read the Braille and make yourself keep up. 3. If you did not get the
>> sense from context, read the entire page again, keeping up your
>> speed, three or four times if necessary. It will come! Mabel Nading
>> and I did lots of testing of speed building at the Iowa Commission
>> for the Blind in the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot by
>> their success. Determination and discipline make a huge difference. I
>> think some of this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
>> Best,
>> Ramona
>>> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Sahar,
>>>
>>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
>>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
>>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
>>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially
>>> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>>>
>>> Sanho
>>>
>>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
>>>> see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
>>>> read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
>>>> that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
>>>> braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
>>>> school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
>>>> everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
>>>> don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad
>>>> how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
>> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>>>>
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>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>>>> Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>>>> To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>
>>>> I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
>>>> articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
>>>> Braille and increasing their speed. I think the recommendations
>>>> are generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour
>>>> if possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to
>>>> build
>> up their speed.
>>>>
>>>> I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
>>>> without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>>>>
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>
>>>> Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have
>>>> weeks where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch
>>>> braille at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm
>>>> currently reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand
>>>> what I'm reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>>>>
>>>> On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>>>>> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
>>>>> spend reading each day?
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>>>>> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion List
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike,
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
>>>>> to use as they wish.
>>>>>
>>>>> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
>>>>> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>
>>>>> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>>>>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well .
>>>>>> here are my tips
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't scrub
>>>>>> Light touch
>>>>>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at first
>>>>>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>>>>>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line -
>>>>>> but right eventually separates from left and finishes while left
>>>>>> goes to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost
>>>>>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested
>>>>>> in getting a list of those myself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a
>>>>>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the
>>>>>> braille display in "auto advance" mode and read a document. The
>>>>>> screen reader will automatically advance to the next line and
>>>>>> refresh the display with the next line of text. This will force you to keep up.
>>>>>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough at
>>>>>> first so you can keep up with it. Then as you get better, set it
>>>>>> a bit faster. It's like taking a shorthand class where the
>>>>>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
>>>>>> You do get faster as time goes on. I'm still working on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Second tip for the braille display. In your screen reader
>>>>>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
>>>>>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button. By default (at
>>>>>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the
>>>>>> right panning button on the display. But this means that you
>>>>>> have to move your hand to the right side of the display in order
>>>>>> to pan. And when you're on a short line, it takes a second or
>>>>>> two to do that. Result is that you lose a couple of seconds
>>>>>> every time you have to move your hand to the right side of the
>>>>>> display. By switching the forward pan function to the left
>>>>>> button, you don't have to move your right hand to the end of the
>>>>>> display to press the pan forward button. Your left hand is
>>>>>> always there on the left button, so it takes less time to pan
>>>>>> forward. This will save a little time (every bit helps) but the
>>>>>> majority of your time savings
>> will be in the tips before this one.
>>>>>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
>>>>>> another blind user that this is the way to go. Saving the second
>>>>>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are
>>>>>> welcome regarding what I've said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>>>>>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>>>>>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>>>>>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi, all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much
>>>>>> significant reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading
>>>>>> braille at about a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much as I need to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warmth,
>>>>>> Sanho
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> He/Him
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