[NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Debbie Gabe
dgabe808 at gmail.com
Fri Mar 17 23:52:08 UTC 2023
Oh, thanks. I was just quoting what others have told me. But I appreciate
the link and I will read it when I get chance.
Have a great weekend.
Debbie
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Behalf Of Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 11:32 AM
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Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
Debbie,
Love everything you said here, but wanted to point out that in fact, the
average sighted high school senior reads at a minimum of 250 words a minute.
240 is actually considered slow for an adult. Source:
https://scholarwithin.com/average-reading-speed
On 3/17/23, Debbie Gabe via NFB-Braille-Discussion
<nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
> Very well said!
> I have RP and have been slowly going blind since age 13 or so, when "they"
> told me I needed glasses. But the glasses never helped so I never used
> them.
> I got my driver's license back than and luckily I never hit anybody,
> although I did have several fender benders. Finally in my 20's it was
> diagnosed correctly. Then in my late 30's I couldn't read normal size
> print without a hand held magnifier. Over the decades, I graduated to
> reading large print books with the magnifier in my hand and finally
> adding reading magnification glasses to that mix. I gave myself carpal
> tunnel syndrome from using the magnifier on long bus rides to work in
> the mornings. I gave myself a neck problem from trying to put my eyes
> closer to file drawers and computer desktop monitors to see them. It
> was such a relief, like you described, when I finally learned braille.
> Now I read braille between 40 to
> 90 words a minute, depending on how focused and alert I am.
>
> I once heard Jerry Whittle and Fred Schroeder say that it's difficult
> for people learning braille when "older" to break 100 words a minute.
> I keep pushing myself, but never cracked 100. But I'm happy if I can
> consistently read at 80 words a minute. They say you can read a speech
> and sound natural if you can read at 150. Sighted people who graduate
> high school and go to college read at 200 to 250 words a minute.
> Braille readers who learn when young can get up to 400 and above!
>
> The teachers of blind kids , many sighted, are often very short sighted.
> They don't realize how reading enlarged print brings on headaches and
> eye strain and very very slow reading speeds.
> I used to talk with parents of blind kids about braille. And if I
> found out their kids were reading magnified print and not braille I
> suggested that they have teachers measure their reading speed and not
> compare the results with their "peers" but with the average kid at
> their grade level (that is sighted peers as opposed to partially blind
> peers). The parents were always shocked. But the teachers and
> initially the parents did not want their partially blind kids to look
> "blind" by reading braille. But the teachers never told parents the
> truth and what the research says - that blind people who have
> satisfying well paid jobs are most likely to use braille on a daily
> basis.
>
> I am retired now, but I still talk to anyone I can about this short
> sightedness in Hawaii public school system because I think it's a tragedy.
> Many partially blind kids I have worked with after graduating high
> school hate reading and they do not read for pleasure ever. And I
understand why.
>
> So I encourage you to read as much as you can. You can get magazines
> from NLS in braille. While NLS may have much more audio, I have been
> able to keep myself supplied in braille reading material.
> Also, the NFB at NFB.org can send you braille copies of their
> publications like the Braille Monitor, every month. It would take me
> more than a month to get through them so they piled up in my dining
> room-lol.
>
> The thing about reading hard copy braille is that it's the best way to
> practice techniques for reading speed. But I'm sure you could also do
> it on a braille electronic display, although it might take longer.
> Good luck to you.
> Debbie
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Mike Jolls
> via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Friday, March 17, 2023 2:56 AM
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> Cc: Mike Jolls <mrspock56 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>
> Debbie Gabe
>
> I read your email with great interest. I'm 66 years old. I've been
> legally blind my entire life. Due to the educational system I went
> through, I was taught to read print since I could see (although I'm
> severely nearsighted and my vision makes me a slow reader). I did not
> have the opportunity to learn Braille in my early years. Being a
> partially sighted person, the answer was always "make it bigger with
> magnification", "get a stronger pair of glasses", and so on. This was
> the mentality of the sighted community because sight was what they
> understood. And so I lived my life, until around age 50, after trying
> these methods over and over, that I realized that there was a limit to
> how well I could read if I used my vision. It dawned on me that if I
> was ever going to overcome my reading deficiency, I had to find a
> method that didn't use my eyesight. What an epiphany that was!!
>
> Enter Braille.
>
> I started learning Braille at age 50. It was definitely an
> "eye-opener", because it did exactly what I realized an alternate
> method would have to do.
> It bypassed the vision and removed the barrier that bad vision
> imposes. I was hopeful that Braille would allow me to improve my
> reading speed. I've been on that quest since then, and as I say, I'm
> now 66. Unfortunately, I haven't achieved a reading speed I would
> like to have (say 150 words per minute), but it's not for a lack of
> trying. Perhaps as you say . when you're older and starting out, you
> may not achieve speeds that a younger person will achieve when they
> start reading at age 6. I think this is similar to playing the piano
which I started seriously studying at age 60.
> It's a lot easier to soak it up when you're younger, but that's
> another topic that could spawn a different conversation, so I'll stop
there.
>
> These days I read Braille primarily with a Braille display. You
> mention that you need to read hardcopy Braille, but I find the supply is
limited.
> The NLS has made the decision that 85 percent of its reading material
> will be in audible format, and the other 15 percent will either be in
> electronic braille format or hardcopy braille. That leaves us readers
> who are interested in Braille out in the cold. Bookshare is of course
> another option.
>
> In summary, I wish I had been given the opportunity to learn braille
> at a younger age, but that's water under the bridge at this point.
> All I can do is read as much as I can. But I still stand behind my
> conviction that to improve reading for a partially sighted person (and
> certainly for a totally blind person), braille is the answer, and the
> sooner you embrace it and the more you use it, the better off you'll be.
>
> Thanks for posting your email. It was interesting reading.
>
> Mike Jolls
>
>
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> From: Debbie Gabe via
> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2023 12:28 AM
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> Cc: Debbie Gabe<mailto:dgabe808 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>
> Hi,
> I came into this conversation late. I'm not sure how old you are.
> I learned braille when I was 55 years old. I practiced every chance I got.
> I
> took my braille book to appointments where I thought I might have to wait.
> I
> read in my husband's care, on the bus, during TV commercials in the
> evening, anytime I had a few minutes to spare. Now at 72 years old, I
> still have not yet broken 100 words a minute, but I am always in the
> middle of at least 2 braille novels. I make labels for everything in
> braille. I write notes to myself. For several years, before I finally
> retired, I taught braille.
>
> If you are ""older", then you might not end up reading as fast as
> someone who learns braille at a younger age, but you can still make it
> useful and enjoyable.
>
> But you do have to practice every single day as much as you can. If I
> go a couple days without reading braille, I notice my reading speed is
> so much slower, it frustrates me.
>
> And you need to use good reading technique, Read with both hands, all
> 8 fingers on the line of braille. Don't red with the fingertips, but
> more between the tips and the pads of the fingers.
> And you will increase your speed faster if you read hard copy books
> rather than electronic braille displays where there is only a single
> line at a time.
> And keep your touch light, don't "scrub", etc. I'm sure you've heard
> all those things.
>
> Lastly, Jerry Whittle, used to teach braille for over 30 years to
> adults at the Louisiana Center for the blind. He wrote a bunch of
> articles that were published in magazines from the NFB: the Braille
> Monitor, etc. Do a google search for him. He died a while ago, but his
articles are still out there.
> He has several on increasing reading speed.
>
> Good luck.
> And if you are free on the 4th Saturdays of each month, the NFB of
> Hawaii holds a zoom meeting called All About Braille. I am the host.
> We discuss anything and everything about braille, , including
> increasing reading speed.
> If interested, email me personally at debbiegabe at live.com and I will
> send you the zoom link. It takes place at 10 am Hawaii time (1 pm west
> coast time, and 4 pm eastern time).
>
> Best.
> Debbie Gabe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Ramona via
> NFB-Braille-Discussion
> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:05 AM
> To: Sanho Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ramona <walhoframona at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>
> Reading every day as much as possible is essential. You are not going
> to give up other forms of reading; you cannot get everything in
> Braille, anyway. Find a magazine you enjoy in Braille, some books,
> some business reports-you pick. Two experiences worth sharing: 1. A
> Braille student came to me for a recipe and took it down using her
> slate and stylus. She said: I am going to college and want my noses in
> Braille, but I am too slow. I
> answered: Make yourself write them with the slate and stylus. Most
> freshmen do not have notetaking mastered, and you can share your notes
> with others, so do the best you can and see how fast you improve. At
> Christmas break she came back for another recipe and wrote it on the slate
like a pro. I said:
> Carolyn, you did it! She barely knew what I was talking about, but she
> had taken notes with the slate and stylusin in all of her classes for
> one semester and truly had no more concerns about speed. Second
> example: We had a student with a phD who was losing vision so was a fast
reader in print.
> She was determined to build speed in Braille. She took two hours of
> braille during the day and read two more hours each evening 7 days a
> week. It took her about 3 weeks to cover the entire Braille code, and
> then she began reading whatever she wished. At the end of six months
> she took a timed reading test and read 150 words per minute. She said
> the effort was worth the results. That was the right time for her to
> do it. Students who learn as children keep up their speed pretty
> easily. If the speed has increased as an adult, you need to keep on
> reading regularly to maintain it.
> suggestions on technique: pet the Braille lightly and keep your
> fingers moving to the right, so you are getting part from context, but
> do not go back and worry about single words, so your muscle memory is
> being developped. 2. Get identical texts of Braille and recorded
> material. Set the player just a little faster than you can read the
> Braille and make yourself keep up. 3. If you did not get the sense
> from context, read the entire page again, keeping up your speed, three
> or four times if necessary. It will come! Mabel Nading and I did lots
> of testing of speed building at the Iowa Commission for the Blind in
> the 1970's. Some of our students taught us a lot by their success.
> Determination and discipline make a huge difference. I think some of
> this stuff is in the Braille Monitor somewhere.
> Best,
> Ramona
> On Mar 15, 2023 1:09 PM, Sanho Steele-Louchart via
> NFB-Braille-Discussion <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Sahar,
>>
>> Thank you. Agreed on all counts. I really want to move to reading
>> everything in braille as long as it isn't time-sensitive, but I've
>> been using my screen-reader at 850 words a minute for almost twenty
>> years. Going back to 40 or 60WPM is incredibly difficult--especially
>> given the neurological fatigue that comes with.
>>
>> Sanho
>>
>> On 3/15/23, Sahar Husseini via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Practice really is key. I used to tell my students. Sighted people
>> > see print everywhere. It is literally on everything. You have to
>> > read braille every day. Some people tell me that's hard to do, but
>> > that really is what it takes. I never understood how kids took
>> > braille class for one day a week. I was lucky that everything in
>> > school was in braille. For me to get faster, I had to read
>> > everything in braille. Of course, now, I am 110 years old, so I
>> > don't know that kids get everything in braille these days. It's sad
>> > how much focus is on audio. Some of us don't comprehend as well on
> audio. Ok, I'm not quite 110, lol.
>> >
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>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> > <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of David
>> > Andrews via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 1:26 PM
>> > To: 'NFB Braille Discussion List'
>> > <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: dandrews920 at comcast.net
>> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>> >
>> > I am not an expert in Braille learning -- however, I remember some
>> > articles in the Braille Monitor in the 90's about adults learning
>> > Braille and increasing their speed. I think the recommendations
>> > are generally that you need to read each and every day, for an hour
>> > if possible. I remember one person saying it took them two years to
>> > build
> up their speed.
>> >
>> > I am not trying to discourage you, but if you go weeks or months
>> > without reading Braille, you won't get faster.
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> > <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> > Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 10:56 AM
>> > To: NFB Braille Discussion List <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> > Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> > Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>> >
>> > Right now, approximately zero minutes a day on average. I have
>> > weeks where I read 10 pages a day and months where I don't touch
>> > braille at all. I definitely need to build consistency there. I'm
>> > currently reading at about 60WPM. Enough to enjoy and understand
>> > what I'm reading, but nowhere near what I read when I was sighted.
>> >
>> > On 3/15/23, marianne denning via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> > <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Do you know anyone who can watch you as you read and make suggestions?
>> >> Many people have increased reading speed. How much time do you
>> >> spend reading each day?
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> >> <nfb-braille-discussion-bounces at nfbnet.org> On Behalf Of Sanho
>> >> Steele-Louchart via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 11:13 AM
>> >> To: NFB Braille Discussion List
>> >> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart <sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> >> Subject: Re: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>> >>
>> >> Mike,
>> >>
>> >> Thanks. I'm compiling the list now in text and braille for people
>> >> to use as they wish.
>> >>
>> >> To clarify, I'm not looking for techniques. I'm looking for how
>> >> long it takes to increase speed and by what amount we can do so.
>> >>
>> >> Warmth,
>> >> Sanho
>> >>
>> >> On 3/15/23, Mike Jolls via NFB-Braille-Discussion
>> >> <nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> I have been working on increasing Braille reading speed as well .
>> >>> here are my tips
>> >>>
>> >>> Don't scrub
>> >>> Light touch
>> >>> Read things that don't have words that are too difficult at first
>> >>> All fingers on the Braille as you read.
>> >>> Both hands start the line and move together across the line -
>> >>> but right eventually separates from left and finishes while left
>> >>> goes to next line ready to read (this means there's no time lost
>> >>> between right hand finishing and next line starting to be read)
>> >>>
>> >>> Hmmm . practicing the frequently read words . I'd be interested
>> >>> in getting a list of those myself.
>> >>>
>> >>> Another tip, make sure you practice reading every day.
>> >>>
>> >>> And here are a couple of more things (if you're reading on a
>> >>> braille display with a screen reader such as Jaws) Put the
>> >>> braille display in "auto advance" mode and read a document. The
>> >>> screen reader will automatically advance to the next line and
>> >>> refresh the display with the next line of text. This will force you
to keep up.
>> >>> You may need to set the auto advance speed so it's slow enough at
>> >>> first so you can keep up with it. Then as you get better, set it
>> >>> a bit faster. It's like taking a shorthand class where the
>> >>> teacher keeps making you go faster.
>> >>> You do get faster as time goes on. I'm still working on this.
>> >>>
>> >>> Second tip for the braille display. In your screen reader
>> >>> software, set the left and right panning buttons so that forward
>> >>> panning is the LEFT button, not the right button. By default (at
>> >>> least in Jaws), Jaws has assigned the forward pan function to the
>> >>> right panning button on the display. But this means that you
>> >>> have to move your hand to the right side of the display in order
>> >>> to pan. And when you're on a short line, it takes a second or
>> >>> two to do that. Result is that you lose a couple of seconds
>> >>> every time you have to move your hand to the right side of the
>> >>> display. By switching the forward pan function to the left
>> >>> button, you don't have to move your right hand to the end of the
>> >>> display to press the pan forward button. Your left hand is
>> >>> always there on the left button, so it takes less time to pan
>> >>> forward. This will save a little time (every bit helps) but the
>> >>> majority of your time savings
> will be in the tips before this one.
>> >>> This one will take a bit of getting used to, but I have it from
>> >>> another blind user that this is the way to go. Saving the second
>> >>> or two on each line seems to make sense, so give it a try.
>> >>>
>> >>> Hope I've explained this adequately and good luck.
>> >>>
>> >>> Incidentally, for those in the NFB group, any comments are
>> >>> welcome regarding what I've said.
>> >>>
>> >>>
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>> >>> From: Sanho Steele-Louchart via
>> >>> NFB-Braille-Discussion<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2023 8:15 AM
>> >>> To: NFB Braille Discussion
>> >>> List<mailto:nfb-braille-discussion at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> Cc: Sanho Steele-Louchart<mailto:sanho817 at gmail.com>
>> >>> Subject: [NFB-Braille-Discussion] Reading Speed Increases
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi, all,
>> >>>
>> >>> Is there any kind of a science to when and by how much
>> >>> significant reading gains will happen? I'm currently reading
>> >>> braille at about a fifth the speed I want to. I'll practice as much
as I need to.
>> >>>
>> >>> Warmth,
>> >>> Sanho
>> >>> --
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