[Nfb-cars] Gaining experience with driving

Mon Jul 13 01:26:32 UTC 2009

In the whole blind driving discussion people are often comparing 
apples and oranges, and tend to view things through their narrow 
perspective.  There is a big difference between the military, and non 
military.  There are also big differences between guidance, and blind 
persons driving independently among sighted drivers.

I think it is likely that in the relatively near future in some areas 
cars will be guided by the highway, buried cables, radio waves, infra 
red, or something else.  It may even be possible to get in a car, 
punch in an address, and have the car drive you there -- but all the 
other cars on the road, would be the same.  Is it likely that using 
alternative inputs, sound etc., a blind person would be driving 
freely on a public road, unassisted, with sighted drivers, I don't 
think so, not at least for a long time.

People thend to have a view of how things will be, then say a blind 
person could or couldn't do that, and then go out and argue with 
everybody else.  However, there is no way to know what the other 
person's view is.

Dave

At 02:37 PM 7/12/2009, you wrote:
>hi,
>
>there's a huge difference between a military vehicle going on patrol 
>compared to bumper to bumper traffic.
>ok, i would love to see a computer guess at the last nano second 
>that a human changed their mind and see if the computer controlled 
>car could avoid the accident.
>there's fighting for equality/opportunity then there's a lack of commin sense.
>i would love to know how many people drove before being bllind and 
>if they would be in favor of being a passenger dependant on computer 
>chips against human controlled cars and i would not be one of them.
>
>Bryan Schulz
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "David Evans" <drevans at bellsouth.net>
>To: "Classics,antiques and rods division mailing list" <nfb-cars at nfbnet.org>
>Sent: Sunday, July 12, 2009 1:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-cars] Gaining experience with driving
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>>
>>Dear Brian,
>>
>>I beg to differ.  The day is close at hand , and proto-types 
>>already exist, of vehicles that can drive themselves.  The 
>>U.S.Military already has a mandate to make 33% of all of its 
>>vehicles autonomist by the year 2015.
>>They have been in the testing phase for over 10 years.
>>It will not be far away that cars will be fully able to drive 
>>themselves, independent of human interaction.  When this comes, the 
>>Blind will be able to "drive" their own cars.
>>The most dangerous thing in a car are the human beings that drive 
>>them. Computers follow rules and people don't.  People get tired, 
>>careless, take risks and make mistakes or bad decisions.
>>Cars in the future will be able to navigate, safely, in any 
>>environment and will communicate constantly with all of the other 
>>cars around it, so that each computer will know where every other 
>>car is going and what they plan to do.
>>The cars will be able to react much faster to situation than humans 
>>and even handle emergency situations that crop up, mostly because 
>>of the actions of humans.
>>The insurance companies will be all for this as it should reduce 
>>traffic accidents and as all actions will be recorded automatically 
>>by an on-board "Black Box" recorder, as many cars already have, 
>>there should be less lawsuits and damage claims.
>>The military has the deep pockets for the research, but the spin 
>>offs will follow as the technology goes into use by the commercial 
>>sector, mostly in long and short haul trucking, delivery services 
>>and finally the private owners; us.
>>
>>David Evans, NFBF
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Bryan Schulz" <b.schulz at sbcglobal.net>
>>To: "Classics,antiques and rods division mailing list" <nfb-cars at nfbnet.org>
>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 1:53 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Nfb-cars] Gaining experience with driving
>>
>>
>>>hi,
>>>
>>>speaking of something like this, i think blind people should know how a car
>>>works in case the person they are with has a heart attack or something.
>>>the person should pretend they are physically unable to operate the car and
>>>the blind person could practice pulling the foot off of the gas
>>>pedal/pushing the shifter to neutral and getting down to a slower speed and
>>>moving onto the shoulder.
>>>
>>>on the other hand, dr. mauer went overboard in believing the
>>>public/insurance companies would allow blind people to drive or a car will
>>>be built that will allow a blind person to drive.
>>>half or more of the time, a driver has to react to the unexpected and a
>>>system that depends on timing or sensors wouldn't avoid a potential wreck.
>>>Bryan Schulz
>>>
>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Reinhard Stebner" 
>>><reinhard.stebner at gmail.com>
>>>To: "'Classics, antiques and rods division mailing list'"
>>><nfb-cars at nfbnet.org>
>>>Sent: Saturday, July 11, 2009 12:34 AM
>>>Subject: [Nfb-cars] Gaining experience with driving
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have heard of totally blind people obtain quality driving lessons from
>>>>the
>>>>following website:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.blindcooltech.com/
>>>>Look for the article entitled:
>>>>"CCB And Master Drive"
>>>>
>>>>I would like to do this, but am unsure how I could even go about doing it.
>>>>
>>>>
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