[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 55, Issue 4

Tue Aug 6 14:37:28 UTC 2013

Randy: Just want to give you all the moral support that you need to rebuild AADB.  We are ALWAYS here for you.  I agree with your statement below 100%. You have touched on the heart of the problem.  There are so many diverse cultures within the Deaf-Blind community as well as within the Blind community. Getting them all to work together is going to create a very unique challenge for all of our leaders whether it is AADB, NFB, NFADB, etc.  We all want to improve the lives of the Deaf-Blind, and we all have our ideas on how best to make it happen. You summed it up very nicely when you said, "it's simply a lack of understanding of each other that is at the heart of the problem." You have hit the nail on the head.  

With much admiration and all my support for you. 
Tracie Inman 

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: nadb (Janice Toothman)
   2. questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Janice Toothman)
   3. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Christine Telford)
   4. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Scott Davert)
   5. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (maurice mines)
   6. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Janice Toothman)
   7. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Janice Toothman)
   8. Re: questions about Nexus 4 smartphone (Christine Telford)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 12:40:49 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] nadb
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Hi Randy,
I want to say that I feel strongly that each DB person's circumstances 
are unique and perhaps changing over time.  We need to use the mode of 
language  communication that will allow us the ability to communicate 
and express ourselves with ease and without stress or undue hardship 
(e.g., eye strain). It is my personal feeling  that those DB, who  use 
tactile ASL are just as welcome in the NFB.  However, the we have to 
work on the larger NFB to accept the  deaf-blind in all our diversity.
Janice

On 8/5/2013 12:19 AM, Randall Pope wrote:
> Hi Scott and all,
>
> I welcome the opportunity to speak with you.  Just let me know when you will
> be in Baltimore.
>
> Janice, I'm sorry that I was not able to be in touch with you as I have a
> lot on my plate at the moment in rebuilding AADB, plus I'm with decline
> vision loss in the past two years. It's no fun, especially when I used ASL
> most of the time.  At the moment, I have been working on ASL tactile plus
> picking up on Pro Tactile.  It's not easy for me.   Nevertheless, I'm
> willing to free up some time with you if you want to try again.
>
> All, I'm sure that the SSP resolution was created with good intentions.
> However I see one or two provision that left me wondering if the DB division
> of the NFB really want to work with the ASL DB people.  As many may have
> read it, this probably the reasons why most on AADB-L did not responded.
>
> Being hard of hearing myself, I fully understand the plight that many of you
> gone through as DB people, including having some issues with DB people who
> use ASL as their native language.    At the same, I see that the DB people
> using ASL are having basically the very same issues with the HOH DB people.
> Keep in mind that the culturally ASL DB live in a different culture world
> than the hoh DB, similar to the English and Hispanic people, two different
> set of people living in two different cultures.  In a nutshell, it's simply
> a lack of understand of each other is the heart of the problem.
>
> Lastly, I would like to leave with you this thought:  "To understand a
> person, one must walk in his or her shoes."
>
> Randy Pope
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Scott Davert
> Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:36 AM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nfb-db] nadb
>
> Hello.
> AADB no longer has an official office, though they did have paid staff in
> the past, along with an office in Silver Springs. They have a newly
> appointed president, so it'll be interesting to see if he can pull the
> sambles the organization has been left in back together. I really hope the
> board and its membership can get back on their feet. I did post the
> resolution to the AADB membership mailing list, and there was not much of a
> reaction. in fact, those who replied simply criticized the grammar of the
> resolution instead of thinking that perhaps getting involved would be more
> productive. It's quite sad actually. I was hoping that this could be some
> sort of way that the NFB DB Devision and AADB could collaborate. I need to
> speak with Randy, the new president, on some other advocacy work he and I
> are doing, and will see if I can still get more than semantic type debates
> out of him in private.
>
> Take care,
> Scott
>
> On 7/22/13, Lydia Roth <lrroth55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I just checked their site and they're now in Kensington, MD.
>>
>> The website is:
>>
>> www.aadb.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/22/13, Lydia Roth <lrroth55 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I know some of the people in AADB.  Last I heard, the headquarters
>>> were in Silver Spring, MD.  Not sure if they're still there.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/22/13, Sheila Leigland <sleigland at bresnan.net> wrote:
>>>> hi is anyone familiar with the american association of deafblind? I
>>>> understand they are out of Oregon.
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>>> 2 Corinthians 5:7
>>>
>>
>> --
>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Corinthians 5:7
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 17:01:16 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>,
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Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
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Hi Everyone,
And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does 
anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.

Janice

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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 21:17:58 +0000
From: Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
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Hello Janice, 

I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account. 

Christine Telford

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone

Hi Everyone,
And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.

Janice

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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2013 19:48:17 -0400
From: Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
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Hi Janice.
I do not own one, but have sene demos done with them and have witnesses people loving them and others hating them. If you're a low vision user, you may like it, but if you are a braille user, you probably will not. Since you asked such a basic question, I'm not quite certain how to help.

Scott

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us> wrote:

> Hello Janice, 
> 
> I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account. 
> 
> Christine Telford
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.
> 
> Janice
> 
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 18:11:40 -0700
From: maurice mines <kd0iko at icloud.com>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
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At the risk of saying me to, from everything that I know about the android platform is basically what others have said, if your low vision great but if you are totally blind and primarily use braille, the jury is Fars I know anyway is definitely out on this matter. Personally I use an iPhone, because I can understand its speech and am very familiar with his controls. And if I had a Bluetooth braille display things would work out even better I believe. On the computer side of things in case this comes up in the future, both the Apple Macintosh platform and of course Windows have very good braille display access when it comes to braille. I use both the braille display drivers to drive my braille sense classic and the provided braille display driver for windows when using JAWS version 14 running on Windows 8 professional. Of course this is with a few minor tweaks which I would be happy to go into for those who are technically inclined. Hope this helps
 sincerely Maurice. Have a great evening all.
On Aug 5, 2013, at 4:48 PM, Scott Davert <scottdavert at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Janice.
> I do not own one, but have sene demos done with them and have witnesses people loving them and others hating them. If you're a low vision user, you may like it, but if you are a braille user, you probably will not. Since you asked such a basic question, I'm not quite certain how to help.
> 
> Scott
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us> wrote:
> 
>> Hello Janice, 
>> 
>> I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account. 
>> 
>> Christine Telford
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
>> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
>> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.
>> 
>> Janice
>> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:12:05 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
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Hi Scott,
I am a braille user.  I have some light perception but that's all. I 
have a Braille Sense U2 from the NDBEDP which I have been trying to get 
trained on. I could not afford the data plan at the time that the NDBEDP 
was offering an Iphone.

However, my dad  wants to buy me this phone.  He feels that the blind 
should like Linex based application because they are not visually 
dependent (I think).  My dad is a mathematician and writes computer 
programs for the Navy for radar guidance systems.
Janice
On 8/5/2013 7:48 PM, Scott Davert wrote:
> Hi Janice.
> I do not own one, but have sene demos done with them and have witnesses people loving them and others hating them. If you're a low vision user, you may like it, but if you are a braille user, you probably will not. Since you asked such a basic question, I'm not quite certain how to help.
>
> Scott
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 5, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us> wrote:
>
>> Hello Janice,
>>
>> I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account.
>>
>> Christine Telford
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
>> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
>> Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.
>>
>> Janice
>>
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Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 22:16:57 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
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Hi Christine,
Does that mean you know longer have it? if so, What was the problem with it?
Janice
On 8/5/2013 5:17 PM, Christine Telford wrote:
> Hello Janice,
>
> I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account.
>
> Christine Telford
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
>
> Hi Everyone,
> And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.
>
> Janice
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Date: Tue, 6 Aug 2013 11:54:09 +0000
From: Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us>
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Hello Janice, 

I was struggling to get out the rain and dropped my phone face first on the cement. I can be a little accident prone sometimes. The screen cracked and it costs the same amount as the phone to fix it! So I am waiting until the nexus 5 comes out soon (October, I think) until I purchase a new one. This time I will get insurance.

Thanks
Christine 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:17 PM
To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone

Hi Christine,
Does that mean you know longer have it? if so, What was the problem with it?
Janice
On 8/5/2013 5:17 PM, Christine Telford wrote:
> Hello Janice,
>
> I had a Nexus 4 for about a year. It is android based and fabulous! It syncs with your Google account.
>
> Christine Telford
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-db [mailto:nfb-db-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Janice Toothman
> Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 5:01 PM
> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; db-cnet at googlegroups.com
> Subject: [nfb-db] questions about Nexus 4 smartphone
>
> Hi Everyone,
> And I apologize to anyone who is receiving this more than once. Does anyone know about or own a Nexus 4 smartphone? It is android based.
>
> Janice
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