[nfb-db] nfb-db Digest, Vol 52, Issue 3 Re: HKNC
Tracie Inman
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Hi Marsha:
? I have been with the NFB since 2010 and I have experienced discrimination on both the local and state levels.? Fortunately, I did not experience this behavior on the national level.? Everyone at National has been very good to me. This year, I am seeking to help bring change in a positive way to the State of Florida by running for a State Affiliate board seat. It is time to end discrimination starting at the bottom.? I currently am Vice President of the Statewide at-large Chapter and a board member of the Deaf-Blind Division.?
? I have not personally been to HK.? The NFB promotes the Colorado Center for the Blind, the Jermigen Institute, and the Louisiana Center for the Blind. The NFB has had contact with HKNC, but I have neither heard support, nor lack of support towards HKNC. If you and your counselors feel HKNC is best for your needs, then by all means attend HKNC and obtain the Deaf-Blindness skills which you need. Contact HKNC and let them know of your situation with your current vision and hearing loss.?
?
NOTE to those who asked: We do not currently have a Deaf-Blind Task Force. NAGDU, Travel & Tourism Division, and the Deaf-Blind all support the needs of all of its members to the best of their ability.? The NFB is dedicated to providing accommodations for all of it's members and all who wish to participate in the Convention. If you need accommodations contact Mark Riccobono in writing and let him know of your needs.
Please find attached the flier for the Helen Keller Celebration.? See you at convention. If you need assistance with travel planning to get to and from the convention, please contact me at: reservations at inmantravel.com or go to my website: www.inmantravel.com and book your flight. Hope to see you at the 2013 NFB National Convention in Orlando.?
Best Regards,
Tracie Inman
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Date: Tue, 21 May 2013 22:14:08 -0400
From: Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com>
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Subject: [nfb-db] HKNC
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Hello Listers,
For the past year I have lost a significant amount of hearing. Last tested I was at a 100DB loss. I have been totally blind for the last 10 years. as a child I attended a school for the blind. So my blindness skills are good. But now with the loss of my hearing, life has certainly gotten interesting and challenging. I will be the first to say that I have been struggling. Currently I am a full time student at a major university pursuing a degree in Social Work. I have one year left.
So my questions are this, Has anyone on this list been to HKNC? I know the NFB advocates for a blindness skills training center, but that is NOT what i need. my OVR came to and has recommended that I go to HKNC for training. If you have been, I have a whole slue of questions, that i'll ask at another point.
What is the NFB's stance on HKNC? This by no means will impact my desicion to go or not to go. I am curious.
I guess a better reason of why I ask the above questions, is that I have been an NFB member for my entire life, my parents, my grandparents all have been in the NFB. my grandparents were around when the two organizations split. I have grown up with the positive philosophy. I get it, I truely do. But here I have been thrust into the world of deafblindness. Not many people know this yet, as I am working to figure things out, I am only begining to be comfortable with expressing my needs to others. I know that is whole another subject on acceptance, but that is not my point for this post.
I will relay an experience I had at my last national convention, last year in Dallas. I was in the general session, I got up to go to the bathroom, found my way out fine. Found the bathroom fine. But when I entered the big huge room, I was lost. I asked persons around me where I was. People were rude. i said I can't hear. people made fun of me. I walked around looking for my state for atleast 15 minutes. I was frustrated, I didn't know which way was to the front or the back of the room or the way to get out.
I tell you all this, because I realized that my ability to hear, my independence was changing. There were other times that I got lost, but people were so rude, so mean. When I expressed that I was hard of hearing and totally blind, people did not understand, care, or get it. In other words I was shunned, looked down upon, made fun of.
Why can't people in the NFB accept persons who are different? Why are us who are deafblind looked down upon? And if confirmed, its just because our blindness skills are lacking. That is not the case.
So do the NFB people look down upon those who go to HKNC? Is there a difference in training philosophy? Again I said this won't change my desision to go for training or not. more curious than anything.
Look folks I don't want to argue about this, but I do want answers.
Thank you for reading, and sorry this is so long....
Marsha drenth?
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 00:09:22 -0500
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Marsha,
I have never been to HK as a student, but I did want to say that I have had the same experience with the NFB, on local, state, and national levels.? Not willing to provide interpreters, Resentful attitudes, nasty namecalling and treating me like I have terrible blindness skills because I'm deaf and therefore can't interact with the world like hearing people.?
I have to say, that the NAGDU has been the single exception to my experience and is wonderful.
I don't go to national conventions any more, because I'm tired of the names and the superior attitudes, and the downright nasty behavior.? It's very sad.? Because as our population ages, more and more people will experience hearing loss.? So the same people who are being rude and horrible today may have hearing loss in 20 years.? I hope, for their sake, that fundamental change will have happened in the NFB by the time they need it.
Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
Bristol, Mill'E-Max, Laveau!
pawpower4me at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone
On May 21, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Listers,
>
> For the past year I have lost a significant amount of hearing. Last tested I was at a 100DB loss. I have been totally blind for the last 10 years. as a child I attended a school for the blind. So my blindness skills are good. But now with the loss of my hearing, life has certainly gotten interesting and challenging. I will be the first to say that I have been struggling. Currently I am a full time student at a major university pursuing a degree in Social Work. I have one year left.
>
> So my questions are this, Has anyone on this list been to HKNC? I know the NFB advocates for a blindness skills training center, but that is NOT what i need. my OVR came to and has recommended that I go to HKNC for training. If you have been, I have a whole slue of questions, that i'll ask at another point.
>
> What is the NFB's stance on HKNC? This by no means will impact my desicion to go or not to go. I am curious.
>
> I guess a better reason of why I ask the above questions, is that I have been an NFB member for my entire life, my parents, my grandparents all have been in the NFB. my grandparents were around when the two organizations split. I have grown up with the positive philosophy. I get it, I truely do. But here I have been thrust into the world of deafblindness. Not many people know this yet, as I am working to figure things out, I am only begining to be comfortable with expressing my needs to others. I know that is whole another subject on acceptance, but that is not my point for this post.
>
> I will relay an experience I had at my last national convention, last year in Dallas. I was in the general session, I got up to go to the bathroom, found my way out fine. Found the bathroom fine. But when I entered the big huge room, I was lost. I asked persons around me where I was. People were rude. i said I can't hear. people made fun of me. I walked around looking for my state for atleast 15 minutes. I was frustrated, I didn't know which way was to the front or the back of the room or the way to get out.
>
> I tell you all this, because I realized that my ability to hear, my independence was changing. There were other times that I got lost, but people were so rude, so mean. When I expressed that I was hard of hearing and totally blind, people did not understand, care, or get it. In other words I was shunned, looked down upon, made fun of.
>
> Why can't people in the NFB accept persons who are different? Why are us who are deafblind looked down upon? And if confirmed, its just because our blindness skills are lacking. That is not the case.
>
> So do the NFB people look down upon those who go to HKNC? Is there a difference in training philosophy? Again I said this won't change my desision to go for training or not. more curious than anything.
>
> Look folks I don't want to argue about this, but I do want answers.
>
> Thank you for reading, and sorry this is so long....
>
> Marsha drenth?
> Sent with my IPhone
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:14:52 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
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Hi Marsha and Pawpower,
I empathize.
As a secretary of the deaf-blind division, the board talked about lack
of acceptance by the NFB to issues of the deaf-blind. We had tried to
get asked each state affiliate president for the names of deaf-blind
individuals in their state all had denied they had any deaf-blind members!
We discussed the growing as more people live longer they will acquire
age related deaf-blindness.
We will be seeking to propose resolutions this year at the National
Convention to hope raise awareness to the deaf-blind issues.
Janice
On 5/22/2013 1:09 AM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> Marsha,
> I have never been to HK as a student, but I did want to say that I have had the same experience with the NFB, on local, state, and national levels.? Not willing to provide interpreters, Resentful attitudes, nasty namecalling and treating me like I have terrible blindness skills because I'm deaf and therefore can't interact with the world like hearing people.
> I have to say, that the NAGDU has been the single exception to my experience and is wonderful.
> I don't go to national conventions any more, because I'm tired of the names and the superior attitudes, and the downright nasty behavior.? It's very sad.? Because as our population ages, more and more people will experience hearing loss.? So the same people who are being rude and horrible today may have hearing loss in 20 years.? I hope, for their sake, that fundamental change will have happened in the NFB by the time they need it.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol, Mill'E-Max, Laveau!
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>> For the past year I have lost a significant amount of hearing. Last tested I was at a 100DB loss. I have been totally blind for the last 10 years. as a child I attended a school for the blind. So my blindness skills are good. But now with the loss of my hearing, life has certainly gotten interesting and challenging. I will be the first to say that I have been struggling. Currently I am a full time student at a major university pursuing a degree in Social Work. I have one year left.
>>
>> So my questions are this, Has anyone on this list been to HKNC? I know the NFB advocates for a blindness skills training center, but that is NOT what i need. my OVR came to and has recommended that I go to HKNC for training. If you have been, I have a whole slue of questions, that i'll ask at another point.
>>
>> What is the NFB's stance on HKNC? This by no means will impact my desicion to go or not to go. I am curious.
>>
>> I guess a better reason of why I ask the above questions, is that I have been an NFB member for my entire life, my parents, my grandparents all have been in the NFB. my grandparents were around when the two organizations split. I have grown up with the positive philosophy. I get it, I truely do. But here I have been thrust into the world of deafblindness. Not many people know this yet, as I am working to figure things out, I am only begining to be comfortable with expressing my needs to others. I know that is whole another subject on acceptance, but that is not my point for this post.
>>
>> I will relay an experience I had at my last national convention, last year in Dallas. I was in the general session, I got up to go to the bathroom, found my way out fine. Found the bathroom fine. But when I entered the big huge room, I was lost. I asked persons around me where I was. People were rude. i said I can't hear. people made fun of me. I walked around looking for my state for atleast 15 minutes. I was frustrated, I didn't know which way was to the front or the back of the room or the way to get out.
>>
>> I tell you all this, because I realized that my ability to hear, my independence was changing. There were other times that I got lost, but people were so rude, so mean. When I expressed that I was hard of hearing and totally blind, people did not understand, care, or get it. In other words I was shunned, looked down upon, made fun of.
>>
>> Why can't people in the NFB accept persons who are different? Why are us who are deafblind looked down upon? And if confirmed, its just because our blindness skills are lacking. That is not the case.
>>
>> So do the NFB people look down upon those who go to HKNC? Is there a difference in training philosophy? Again I said this won't change my desision to go for training or not. more curious than anything.
>>
>> Look folks I don't want to argue about this, but I do want answers.
>>
>> Thank you for reading, and sorry this is so long....
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 06:25:48 -0400
From: Janice Toothman <janice.toothman at verizon.net>
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Subject: [nfb-db] Orlando 2013 National Convention
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The Deaf-Blind Division will hold its meeting on July 2.
Registration begins at 6:00PM
Business meeting begins at 7:00PM-8:00PM
Election of all Officers
A moment of Silence to honor Second-Vice President Bob Eschach, who died
last year.
Topics of concern
Helen Keller Celebration 8:00-9:00PM
The celebration includes guest speakers and cake and drinks
Are there any particular topics that people on this list want to cover?
Also, if you need interpreting for the meeting please let me know what
type of interpreting services you require and whether you have applied
for assistance with the Jernigan Institute.
Thanks
Secretary,
Janice
Deaf-Blind Division/NFB
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Date: Wed, 22 May 2013 12:26:42 +0000
From: Christine Telford <ctelford at dors.state.md.us>
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Subject: Re: [nfb-db] HKNC
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Hello Everyone,
NFB has a deaf-blind taskforce, right? Or did that fall through? I am actually meeting with them tomorrow and I can gather some information for everyone.
Thanks
Christine Telford
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Hi Marsha and Pawpower,
I empathize.
As a secretary of the deaf-blind division, the board talked about lack of acceptance by the NFB to issues of the deaf-blind. We had tried to get asked each state affiliate president for the names of deaf-blind individuals in their state all had denied they had any deaf-blind members!
We discussed the growing as more people live longer they will acquire age related deaf-blindness.
We will be seeking to propose resolutions this year at the National Convention to hope raise awareness to the deaf-blind issues.
Janice
On 5/22/2013 1:09 AM, The Pawpower Pack wrote:
> Marsha,
> I have never been to HK as a student, but I did want to say that I have had the same experience with the NFB, on local, state, and national levels.? Not willing to provide interpreters, Resentful attitudes, nasty namecalling and treating me like I have terrible blindness skills because I'm deaf and therefore can't interact with the world like hearing people.
> I have to say, that the NAGDU has been the single exception to my experience and is wonderful.
> I don't go to national conventions any more, because I'm tired of the names and the superior attitudes, and the downright nasty behavior.? It's very sad.? Because as our population ages, more and more people will experience hearing loss.? So the same people who are being rude and horrible today may have hearing loss in 20 years.? I hope, for their sake, that fundamental change will have happened in the NFB by the time they need it.
>
> Rox and the Kitchen Bitches
> Bristol, Mill'E-Max, Laveau!
> pawpower4me at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 21, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Marsha Drenth <marsha.drenth at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello Listers,
>>
>> For the past year I have lost a significant amount of hearing. Last tested I was at a 100DB loss. I have been totally blind for the last 10 years. as a child I attended a school for the blind. So my blindness skills are good. But now with the loss of my hearing, life has certainly gotten interesting and challenging. I will be the first to say that I have been struggling. Currently I am a full time student at a major university pursuing a degree in Social Work. I have one year left.
>>
>> So my questions are this, Has anyone on this list been to HKNC? I know the NFB advocates for a blindness skills training center, but that is NOT what i need. my OVR came to and has recommended that I go to HKNC for training. If you have been, I have a whole slue of questions, that i'll ask at another point.
>>
>> What is the NFB's stance on HKNC? This by no means will impact my desicion to go or not to go. I am curious.
>>
>> I guess a better reason of why I ask the above questions, is that I have been an NFB member for my entire life, my parents, my grandparents all have been in the NFB. my grandparents were around when the two organizations split. I have grown up with the positive philosophy. I get it, I truely do. But here I have been thrust into the world of deafblindness. Not many people know this yet, as I am working to figure things out, I am only begining to be comfortable with expressing my needs to others. I know that is whole another subject on acceptance, but that is not my point for this post.
>>
>> I will relay an experience I had at my last national convention, last year in Dallas. I was in the general session, I got up to go to the bathroom, found my way out fine. Found the bathroom fine. But when I entered the big huge room, I was lost. I asked persons around me where I was. People were rude. i said I can't hear. people made fun of me. I walked around looking for my state for atleast 15 minutes. I was frustrated, I didn't know which way was to the front or the back of the room or the way to get out.
>>
>> I tell you all this, because I realized that my ability to hear, my independence was changing. There were other times that I got lost, but people were so rude, so mean. When I expressed that I was hard of hearing and totally blind, people did not understand, care, or get it. In other words I was shunned, looked down upon, made fun of.
>>
>> Why can't people in the NFB accept persons who are different? Why are us who are deafblind looked down upon? And if confirmed, its just because our blindness skills are lacking. That is not the case.
>>
>> So do the NFB people look down upon those who go to HKNC? Is there a difference in training philosophy? Again I said this won't change my desision to go for training or not. more curious than anything.
>>
>> Look folks I don't want to argue about this, but I do want answers.
>>
>> Thank you for reading, and sorry this is so long....
>>
>> Marsha drenth
>> Sent with my IPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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