[NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?

Sun Aug 15 20:54:15 UTC 2021

Hi Rod.
To clarify: 1capapp and Streamtext are services that are streamed through your web browers. So, for example, along with the Zoom link to a meeting, the host may include the URL that you can open on your web browser and begin receiving the typed text when the meeting begins. It doesn't have to be an event on Zoom. It could be a phone call, webinar through another platform such as Google Meet or Webex, or even an in-person event. My apologies if I was not clear on that point.
I'm thrilled that the ElBraille 40 is working for you! I have yet to spend lot of time with the newer one, but it did seem like that was the device that you would enjoy the most.

Regards,
Scott 

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> On Aug 15, 2021, at 15:02, Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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> Thanks, Scott. Given that I am starting out at the very beginning, I gather that I need to find a Windows version of these apps, download and install 1capapp and/or Streamtext, and use it during a Zoom session where captioning has been turned on. My wife attends Zoom meetings occasionally so I can try to give it a try. I'll also have a look for a tutorial or how-to someone may have prepared.
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> By the way, my ElBraille is working out just fine. I am picking up a lot of half-forgotten stuff about Windows, and it is keeping me busy - fun-busy.
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> Thanks for the heads-up on this.
> 
> Rod 
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB  <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
> To:  nfb-db at nfbnet.org
> CC: scottdavert at gmail.com
> Date: Sunday, August 15, 2021 9:30 am
> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?
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>> Hi Rod.
>> The advantage to both 1capapp and Streamtext is that you should be able to read at your own pace. You do not need a cell phone to use it, you can do this with your PC and an internet connection. In theory, I say that because I've not worked with an ElBraille before, this should also be the case with  the ElBraille as well.
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>> Stay safe and stay well,
>> Scott
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 13, 2021, at 16:01, Rod Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> ?
>> Thanks, Scott. I am still in the dark ages regarding what PC.assible.
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>> Stay safe,
>> Rod
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>> From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:14 PM
>> To: NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List
>> Cc: Scott Davert
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?
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>> Hi Rod.
>> Either of these options will work as long as the Zoom host uses one of these services. If you wish to only follow the meeting, you do not have to bother with Zoom itself, you can just follow along with CART. If you wish to interact with the Zoom meeting, things can be a little tricky, as both of the options require that you load a webpage to use CART. What I've done in the past, yes as a braille only user, is pair 2 devices with my braille display. I then must jump between devices to work with both Zoom and CART. You can switch windows on the same device, but It's much more effective if you can jump from one device to another. Particularly if you are an active participant of the Zoom meeting.
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>> I hope this helps,
>> Scott
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 12, 2021, at 14:52, Rod and Ele Macdonald via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> ?Very interesting discussion. Is there a similar "solution" for the Windows environment? Especiallyfor for a Zoom meeting where neither vision nor hearing can be used and the user must rely exclusively on a braille display? 
>> 
>> Rod
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Scott Davert via NFB-DB  <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> To:  nfb-db at nfbnet.org
>> CC: scottdavert at gmail.com
>> Date: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 10:56 am
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?
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>> Hi Todd and welcome to the list!
>> Like Toney, I have had success using the 1capapp with my iPhone. I have also used it with JAWS and Mantis braille display. It also works fine with a Focus. Streamtext is another option that works, but I have issues with it since, especially on an iPhone, the text is treated as one large block. You can follow along and read at your own pace, but if you lose your place, you are not able to navigate by anything other than the 1 large block of text. That requires a lot of panning a lot. My experiences on the Mac mirrior Toney's.
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>> HTH,
>> Scott
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Aug 11, 2021, at 11:04, kg 6sxy (kg6sxy) via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> ?Hello Todd,
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>> For quickly jumping t to the bottom, I've had to use the appropriate shortcut for the OS I'm using; page down on macOS or three finger swipes to scroll the content.  I haven't tried turning auto-scroll back on but that might work once the next line comes in.
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>> Take care,  
>> Tony
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>> On Aug 11, 2021, at 10:56 AM, Todd Schwanke via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Tony:
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>> Thanks for your response and sharing your experiences.  This is definitely helpful as it provides info on combinations that have been used successfully.
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>> Whether you go back and read some previous captions or you get behind and want to catch up, do you have a quick/reliable way to jump ahead to where the most current captions are being entered without panning through everything in-between?
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>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Todd
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>> From: kg6sxy at gmail.com <kg6sxy at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2021 9:48 AM
>> To: NFB DeafBlind Division <nfb-db at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Todd Schwanke <todd.schwanke at wisc.edu>
>> Subject: Re: [NFB-DB] Live captioning interface & app options with Braille display?
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>> Hello Todd,
>> 
>> I've used 1CappApp with a braille display connected to an iPhone.  I also turn off auto-scrolling in the browser window for 1CappApp which allows me to read the entire content at my own speed without the focus changing every time an update comes in.  As for navigating, I only had to use pan forward to make my way through the entire content.  I've also tried this with my braille display paired with my MacBook Air and turned off the setting to have the VoiceOver cursor follow the mouse pointer.
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>> I hope this helps.
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>> Take care,  
>> Tony
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>> On Aug 11, 2021, at 10:27 AM, Todd Schwanke via NFB-DB <nfb-db at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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>> Good morning.
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>> I'm new to this list, but have been on the blindmath list.  I've done some reading back through some of the archives, but not all, to review what might have already been discussed on this topic.  I noted that there have been some discussions around live captioning, but it seemed to be mostly related to how the captions are generated, rather than how the users interact with them.  I'm happy to go back, dig through, and read more of the archives.
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>> I work in the office that works with student accommodations at UW-Madison.  We have the remote captioning service providers set up, but I'm trying to figure out the best way for students to receive those captions when they use a Braille display.  It seems in most cases the focus and/or cursor jumps around a bit, which can make it difficult to follow along live with a screen reader.  So, I'm trying to find out what display options (e.g. Windows desktop app, web-based interface, Android app, or iOS app) might work best/better and/or what settings have to be changed for optimal use so that :
>> the screen reader/Braille display echoes back the new captions that appear without the users needing to keep scrolling
>> the cursor(s) stays synced with the new text entry point
>> and/or the user has to do minimal scrolling to keep pace with where the new text is appearing. 
>> Assumption here is remote/internet based delivery of captions.  I think I'm going to intentionally hold off on saying what we have tried so far as I need to circle back to do some retesting of what students reported in different tests before I rule those interface options out.  
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>> From the archives it appears the 1CapApp interface may have been used for the latest NFB convention.  How did that work with Braille displays?  Were any specific settings or help documents needed to get that set up so that it was easy to follow along without a lot of navigating and scrolling?
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>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Todd Schwanke (he/him)
>> UW-Madison
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