[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
qubit
lauraeaves at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 24 22:35:50 UTC 2010
Hi all -- well I'm over 50 and I believe my braille speed is inching up,
mainly because I have been using it every week to teach my class. I used to
read it too slowly to follow my own outline notes, but now I can read ahead
as I speak and usually speak straight through without silent gaps. (The kids
are polite when I do take a few seconds, but I prefer not to do that.)
So using it is the key.
You know, the thing that really makes it hard for me to use braille is the
awkwardness of creating braille labels for things.
It's really a pain.
How do others generally handling the labeling process?
--le
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From: "MS S TILLETT" <suetillett at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:52 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
I've been a Braille mentor for years. The oldest person I ever taught was
78 when she started and she really did learn everything. I worked with a
friend who was in this thirties but he never really got very good. He
didn't work on it at home and you can't learn it sitting in my kitchen for
an hour once a week. He is also loosing his hearing, and if he looses it
completely, no technology is going to do it. Finally we decided he should
just consintrate on learning the alphabet so that he can at least label
things and write notes to himself, but he doesn't really use it. I helped
him label his CDs and I guess he does read those. I think it is just very
individual. I would think that learning just enough to write things down
would be helpful. I have been a Braillle reader all my life, and I'm not a
speed-queen, but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
I think it is very sad that young people don't think it is necessary because
of their dependence on technology. Sue
----- Original Message -----
From: River Woman
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:27 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
You have hit it on the head - I see it as being soooooo slow, and that I
would take forever and never be very good at it. I do not enjoy it at all
and at this point in my life I feel like there is no reason I need to do
it.
I think to be proficient, meaning that I could stand and give a lecture
using braille, would take many years to achieve. I can't imagine someone
my
age really becoming proficient at it. I can "read" books and knit at the
same time now, and I like that a lot. I think that if I want to learn
something, it would be to concentrate on a foreign language that I really
want to learn, just for my own satisfaction. Lynda
Lynda Lambert
River Road Studio, Since 1976
www.lyndalambert.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marianne Denning" <mdenning at cinci.rr.com>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> Lynda, I was a rehabilitation teacher before I became a TVI. Many older
> adults do not learn braille. This is for several reasons. It is harder
> to learn new skills as we get older and our fingers lose some of their
> sensativity through the years. If you were determined to learn braille
I
> would tell you to go for it but if you want to focus on other areas more
I
> think that is a good idea too. If you are really interested in learning
> braille there may be a rehabilitation teacher in your area who can help
> you learn it.
>
> I have been a braille reader too and could not live without it but I
> understand your feelings too.
> Marianne Denning
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
<nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
>>I am laughing - probably so.
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>> www.lyndalambert.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zimmer, Cindy" <cindy.zimmer at nebraska.gov>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:52 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>
>>
>>> I'm thinking Sahar is gonna have some words of wisdom for you again.
>>> *grin
>>>
>>> Cindy Zimmer
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
Woman
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:00 PM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>
>>> Since I was sighted until I was 64 years old, Braille is really not so
>>> appealing to me. I am sure if I learned it as a child, that would be
>>> very
>>> different. Right now, I want to do things in theleast amount of time
>>> possible, and I can see that really learning Braille would take so
much
>>> time, and at my age, it is just so much more efficient to use
technology
>>> for
>>> everything. I am almost 67 now, so have had to learn so much in a
short
>>> time, I just decided not to do this. Lynda
>>> Lynda Lambert
>>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:33 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>
>>>
>>>> Did you ever think of a note taker. Then you would have voice and
>>>> refreshable braille. The braille is more distinct than regular
>>>> braille.
>>>> If you were in dought of a symbol, you could check it with the
speech.
>>>> I
>>>> have been reading braille since second grade and do not know where I
>>>> would
>>>> be with out it. I love braille.
>>>> I have my helmit pattern on the computer and one embossed copy at
home.
>>>> If the braille copy gets lost or damaged, I can emboss another copy
to
>>>> follow.
>>>> It is only recently, I am learning to emboss, and I love it!
>>>>
>>>> Terry P.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: slery [mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
>>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>>>
>>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very
>>>> visual
>>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in braille that
I
>>>> need to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
>>>>
>>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each of
>>>> the
>>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A paper clip
>>>> marks
>>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in my bag.
>>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
>>>> version of the pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
>>>>> Woman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eileen,
>>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed up and
>>>>> have not been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where
my
>>>>> friend fixes it for me. I do want to be able to do this again by
>>>>> myself. I gave up on Braille as I just do not see it as something
that
>>>>> I need to do. I learned the alpahabet and then took course 1 through
>>>>> Hadley, and then into course 2 decided it was a waste of my time
since
>>>>> I do everything with electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River Road
>>>>> Studio, Since
>>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
>>>>> able to see
>>>>> >well enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
>>>>> I got used to using
>>>>> > touch to know what I was doing. If you practice, it isn't
>>>>> hard to feel
>>>>> > what is going on. I consider myself very visual as I visualize
the
>>>>> > stitches in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
>>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
>>>>> I have a hard
>>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
>>>>> knitting, I know
>>>>> > what
>>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
>>>>> where I am and
>>>>> > what needs to be done.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Happy krafting.
>>>>> > --le
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Eileen,
>>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
>>>>> years old.
>>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
>>>>> stuff, as I
>>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
>>>>> friend for
>>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
>>>>> not now. So,
>>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me going.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
>>>>> is 30 miles
>>>>> > away.
>>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
>>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
>>>>> calendar. And, if
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
>>>>> let me know.
>>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lynda
>>>>> > Lynda Lambert
>>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Lynda:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
>>>>> shops, but
>>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you. They are
>>>>> used mostly
>>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
>>>>> this frightens
>>>>> >> a lot of people away from them. I suppose to that since they
>>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
>>>>> stock them. If
>>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
>>>>> Pattern Works.
>>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
>>>>> them to be a
>>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Eileen
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
>>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word! That is downright frightening. I am up
for
>>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up in
>>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class
in
>>>>> >>>>September on how to do a life line. Patternworks does have the
>>>>> >>>>needle she is suggesting and I thought if anyone was
>>>>> poking around
>>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this summer and
>>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
>>>>> the info:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000 price is: $18
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Joyce Kane
>>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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