[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
qubit
lauraeaves at yahoo.com
Thu Jun 24 23:52:06 UTC 2010
Oh hi Terry -- I already know grades 2 and 3 braille -- that is, I have the
contractions memorized as dot patterns, but perhaps someone who is
proficient doesn't understand the difficult for a person to train their
fingers to quickly recognize those dot patterns and combinations of those
patterns, when they haven't done it most their life.
It's the same with print, I think -- a child gets to know not just the shape
of the letters t h e, but the shape of the word "the", and so can skim over
that quickly. Same for braille -- I am often surprised by a word that has
an unusual juxtaposition of contractions -- like the word "comment -- only 3
braille cells. And "acknowledge" with the dot5 k in the middle, or "bless"
or any of a myriad of other words.
Sorry but learning braille is kind of a chore but also kind of fun.
By the way, my embosser translates the word benefit with the be contraction
followed by nefit. I thought this looked wrong. Shouldn't it be "b en
efit"?
Just curious.
Happy krafting.
Oh and I have some krafty news: Some friends of mine from church want me to
teach them some of the crafts I do that they don't know how to do, such as
the macrame. I hope they do it.
They have a meeting every month where they discuss things like food prep
(this week it was on dehydrating), crafts, service projects, etc. I will
have to volunteer.
Have fun.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:31 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
Laura;
My NFB chapter leader gave volenteer braille classes to about 4 in my
chapter. You might find someone in your chapter to work with you. Writing
letters back and forth will give you practice and you can gradually learn
new contractions. My leader is a proof reader for the Library of Congress.
I would try to take up braille, again. I think you will be glad you did.
Start using grade 1, right now. Use it for labeling craft items, those
items you use every day; beads, yarn, meds, foods. You will find after you
do the original labeling, there will be less and less, what is this?
Braille is your road to independence.
I can not wait until CAP gets me an Apex. My braille display died on my
transplanted m-power. I miss my braille display. It was so quiet. Now I
can not use my unit with out disterbing others with its voice.
If my request does not go through, I will have to find a head set to use.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: qubit [mailto:lauraeaves at yahoo.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:26 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
Hi -- I think sometimes the slowness of a beginner learning to read braille
is the biggest hurdle, not the prejudice against it. It isn't just picking
up the code -- that's just a little memorization -- it's getting your
fingers and your brain accustomed to recognizing those dot patterns. At
least that has been my biggest hurdle. I have known the codes since I was
in grade school, but had some print vision until recent years. I have files
labeled in braille and I take notes in braille, but to do any kind of
volumous reading is just miserably slow. My speed has improved a bit since
I started teaching sunday school a couple of years ago -- it gives me a
chance to read outlines real time as I'm teaching a class. That has forced
me to pick it up a bit.
Hope you can get your speed up. I use an embosser that is interpoint, and I
think this is the reason why it seems to punch dots just a tiny hair's width
from where it seems like it's supposed to be, which makes some words harder
to recognize. But recognizing dot patterns takes practice.
Happy krafting.
--le
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
Well, maybe too if your life was in upheaval from loosing your sight and
maybe you were feeling a little negative towards Braille and all you had to
newly learn or things you had to relearn just to get buy from day to day it
may not have been the right time for you to learn Braille. At least you
learned Grade I and can perhaps jot down a phone number or mark a bottle or
skein of yarn with a Braille label. All I can tell you is that between both
my talking computer & Braille I can tend to all my household business from
paying bills on line to processing mail ... all important mail that has to
be saved gets Brailled with who its from, date, amounts, anything that is
important to know right off the top when I am looking through envelopes. So
many other ways Braille can be useful I can't list them all. The talking
computer would not be enough on its own for me to take care of all my stuff
independantly. Maybe one day, if you feel like you're having a difficult
time finding stuff or keeping organized you will reconsider learning more
Braille when the motivation is stronger. Soap box off ... at least you did
give Braille a try.
Eileen
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From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:49 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
> I did have 15 weeks of it at the school I went to for Personal Adjustment
> to Blindness. Then, I did Course I through Hadley. I started Course 2, but
> after doing a couple of lessons, I quit. It was so time intensive, and I
> just felt like I would never use it for anything.
>
> Lynda Lambert
> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> www.lyndalambert.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
>> Lynda:
>>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Cindy & Terry. I learned Braille when I
>> was 18 years old after having lost my sight & having been totally
>> sighted. Today, I could not live without it on a number of different
>> levels. So, if there is not any type of physical/nerve problem that is
>> preventing you from learning it give it a try. When I work on my
>> knitting patterns of a more complex design there is nothing like having a
>> hard copy printout that I can keep referring back to. If a pattern is
>> simple then I can get away with listening to it being read by a notetaker
>> or Victor Reader Stream, but if it has a more intricate stitch pattern or
>> patterns & lots of shaping I need a hard copy. Besides, its more
>> comfortable when I put my feet up in bed, put on a talking book, take out
>> my knitting and have a Braille print out to confirm directions on than
>> having to switch my listening mode to another file or device to hear
>> knitting instructions read to me.
>>
>> If you have any way of learning Braille even just Grade 1 try it. When I
>> learned how to read & write Braille I was totally fascinated by it. It
>> was like learning a new language. It only took me about 6 months to
>> learn both grades 1 & 2 and how to both read and write it.
>>
>> . If you get Braille skills under your belt there is absolutely no reason
>> why you will not be able to go back to all the types of patterns you used
>> to like knitting before loosing your sight. Don't let anyone tell you it
>> is difficult or that you can't learn it. It is as complicated as you
>> want to make it and since it is a very logical system I have no doubt
>> that you will catch on quickly.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Eileen
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>
>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very
>>> visual
>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in braille that I
>>> need
>>> to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
>>>
>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each of
>>> the
>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A paper clip
>>> marks
>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in my bag.
>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
>>> version
>>> of the pattern.
>>>
>>> Cindy S.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> River Woman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eileen,
>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed
>>>> up and have not
>>>> been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where my
>>>> friend fixes it
>>>> for me. I do want to be able to do this again by myself. I gave up on
>>>> Braille as I just do not see it as something that I need to
>>>> do. I learned
>>>> the alpahabet and then took course 1 through Hadley, and then
>>>> into course 2
>>>> decided it was a waste of my time since I do everything with
>>>> electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River Road Studio, Since
>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
>>>> able to see
>>>> >well enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
>>>> I got used to using
>>>> > touch to know what I was doing. If you practice, it isn't
>>>> hard to feel
>>>> > what is going on. I consider myself very visual as I visualize the
>>>> > stitches
>>>> > in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
>>>> I have a hard
>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
>>>> knitting, I know
>>>> > what
>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
>>>> where I am and
>>>> > what needs to be done.)
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy krafting.
>>>> > --le
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Eileen,
>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
>>>> years old.
>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
>>>> stuff, as I
>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
>>>> friend for
>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
>>>> not now. So,
>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me going.
>>>> >
>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
>>>> is 30 miles
>>>> > away.
>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
>>>> calendar. And, if
>>>> > I
>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
>>>> let me know.
>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
>>>> >
>>>> > Lynda
>>>> > Lynda Lambert
>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Lynda:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
>>>> shops, but
>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you. They are
>>>> used mostly
>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
>>>> this frightens
>>>> >> a lot of people away from them. I suppose to that since they
>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
>>>> stock them. If
>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
>>>> Pattern Works.
>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
>>>> them to be a
>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eileen
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word! That is downright frightening. I am up for
>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up in
>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class in
>>>> >>>>September on how to do a life line. Patternworks does have the
>>>> >>>>needle she is suggesting and I thought if anyone was
>>>> poking around
>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this summer and
>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
>>>> the info:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000 price is: $18
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Joyce Kane
>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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