[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

Marianne Denning mdenning at cinci.rr.com
Fri Jun 25 01:07:15 UTC 2010 

You write the word "benefit" with the en sign.  I have seen several mistakes 
in embossed braille and electronic braille.

Marianne Denning
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles


> Oh hi Terry -- I already know grades 2 and 3 braille -- that is, I have 
> the
> contractions memorized as dot patterns, but perhaps someone who is
> proficient doesn't understand the difficult for a person to train their
> fingers to quickly recognize those dot patterns and combinations of those
> patterns, when they haven't done it most their life.
> It's the same with print, I think -- a child gets to know not just the 
> shape
> of the letters t h e, but the shape of the word "the", and so can skim 
> over
> that quickly.  Same for braille -- I am often surprised by a word that has
> an unusual juxtaposition of contractions -- like the word "comment -- only 
> 3
> braille cells.  And "acknowledge" with the dot5 k in the middle, or 
> "bless"
> or any of a myriad of other words.
> Sorry but learning braille is kind of a chore but also kind of fun.
>
> By the way, my embosser translates the word benefit with the be 
> contraction
> followed by nefit.  I thought this looked wrong. Shouldn't it be "b en
> efit"?
> Just curious.
> Happy krafting.
> Oh and I have some krafty news: Some friends of mine from church want me 
> to
> teach them some of the crafts I do that they don't know how to do, such as
> the macrame.  I hope they do it.
> They have a meeting every month where they discuss things like food prep
> (this week it was on dehydrating), crafts, service projects, etc.  I will
> have to volunteer.
> Have fun.
> --le
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 6:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
> Laura;
> My NFB chapter leader gave volenteer braille classes to about 4 in my
> chapter.  You might find someone in your chapter to work with you. 
> Writing
> letters back and forth will give you practice and you can gradually learn
> new contractions.  My leader is a proof reader for the Library of 
> Congress.
> I would try to take up braille, again.  I think you will be glad you did.
> Start using grade 1, right now.  Use it for labeling craft items, those
> items you use every day;  beads, yarn, meds, foods.  You will find after 
> you
> do the original labeling, there will be less and less, what is this?
> Braille is your road to independence.
>
> I can not wait until CAP gets me an Apex.  My braille display died on my
> transplanted m-power.  I miss my braille display.  It was so quiet.  Now I
> can not use my unit with out disterbing others with its voice.
> If my request does not go through, I will have to find a head set to use.
>
> Terry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: qubit [mailto:lauraeaves at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:26 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
> Hi -- I think sometimes the slowness of a beginner learning to read 
> braille
> is the biggest hurdle, not the prejudice against it.  It isn't just 
> picking
> up the code -- that's just a little memorization -- it's getting your
> fingers and your brain accustomed to recognizing those dot patterns.  At
> least that has been my biggest hurdle.  I have known the codes since I was
> in grade school, but had some print vision until recent years.  I have 
> files
> labeled in braille and I take notes in braille, but to do any kind of
> volumous reading is just miserably slow.  My speed has improved a bit 
> since
> I started teaching sunday school a couple of years ago -- it gives me a
> chance to read outlines real time as I'm teaching a class.  That has 
> forced
> me to pick it up a bit.
> Hope you can get your speed up.  I use an embosser that is interpoint, and 
> I
> think this is the reason why it seems to punch dots just a tiny hair's 
> width
> from where it seems like it's supposed to be, which makes some words 
> harder
> to recognize.  But recognizing dot patterns takes practice.
> Happy krafting.
> --le
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
> Well, maybe too if your life was in upheaval from loosing your sight and
> maybe you were feeling a little negative towards Braille and all you had 
> to
> newly learn or things you had to relearn just to get buy from day to day 
> it
> may not have been the right time for you to learn Braille.  At least you
> learned Grade I and can perhaps jot down a phone number or mark a bottle 
> or
> skein of yarn with a Braille label.  All I can tell you is that between 
> both
> my talking computer & Braille I can tend to all my household business from
> paying bills on line to processing mail ... all important mail that has to
> be saved gets  Brailled with who its from, date, amounts, anything that is
> important to know right off the top when I am looking through envelopes. 
> So
> many other ways Braille can be useful I can't list them all.  The talking
> computer would not be enough on its own for me to take care of all my 
> stuff
> independantly.  Maybe one day, if you feel like you're having a difficult
> time finding stuff or keeping organized you will reconsider learning more
> Braille when the motivation is stronger.  Soap box off ... at least you 
> did
> give Braille a try.
>
> Eileen
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:49 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE:  needles
>
>> I did have 15 weeks of it at the school I went to for Personal Adjustment
>> to Blindness. Then, I did Course I through Hadley. I started Course 2, 
>> but
>> after doing a couple of lessons, I quit. It was so time intensive, and I
>> just felt like I would never use it for anything.
>>
>> Lynda Lambert
>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>> www.lyndalambert.com
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>>
>>
>>> Lynda:
>>>
>>> I'm in complete agreement with Cindy & Terry.  I learned Braille when I
>>> was 18 years old after having lost my sight & having been totally
>>> sighted. Today, I could not live without it on a number of different
>>> levels.  So, if there is not any type of physical/nerve problem that is
>>> preventing you from learning it give it a try.  When I work on my
>>> knitting patterns of a more complex design there is nothing like having 
>>> a
>>> hard copy printout that I can keep referring back to.  If a pattern is
>>> simple then I can get away with listening to it being read by a 
>>> notetaker
>>> or Victor Reader Stream, but if it has a more intricate stitch pattern 
>>> or
>>> patterns & lots of shaping I need a hard copy.  Besides, its more
>>> comfortable when I put my feet up in bed, put on a talking book, take 
>>> out
>>> my knitting and have a Braille print out to confirm directions on than
>>> having to switch my listening mode to another file or device to hear
>>> knitting instructions read to me.
>>>
>>> If you have any way of learning Braille even just Grade 1 try it.  When 
>>> I
>>> learned how to read & write Braille I was totally fascinated by it.  It
>>> was like learning a new language.  It only took me about 6 months to
>>> learn both grades 1 & 2 and how to both read and write it.
>>>
>>> . If you get Braille skills under your belt there is absolutely no 
>>> reason
>>> why you will not be able to go back to all the types of patterns you 
>>> used
>>> to like knitting before loosing your sight.  Don't let anyone tell you 
>>> it
>>> is difficult or that you can't learn it.  It is as complicated as you
>>> want to make it and since it is a very logical system I have no doubt
>>> that you will catch on quickly.
>>>
>>> Good luck.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE:  needles
>>>
>>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very
>>>> visual
>>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in braille that I
>>>> need
>>>> to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
>>>>
>>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each of
>>>> the
>>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A paper clip
>>>> marks
>>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in my bag.
>>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
>>>> version
>>>> of the pattern.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> River Woman
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Eileen,
>>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed
>>>>> up and have not
>>>>> been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where my
>>>>> friend fixes it
>>>>> for me. I do want to be able to do this again by myself. I gave up on
>>>>> Braille as I just do not see it as something that I need to
>>>>> do. I learned
>>>>> the alpahabet and then took course 1 through Hadley, and then
>>>>> into course 2
>>>>> decided it was a waste of my time since I do everything with
>>>>> electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River Road Studio, Since
>>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
>>>>> able to see
>>>>> >well  enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
>>>>> I got used to using
>>>>> > touch to know what I was doing.   If you practice, it isn't
>>>>> hard to feel
>>>>> > what is going on.  I consider myself very visual as I visualize the
>>>>> > stitches
>>>>> > in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
>>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
>>>>> I have a hard
>>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
>>>>> knitting, I know
>>>>> > what
>>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
>>>>> where I am and
>>>>> > what needs to be done.)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Happy krafting.
>>>>> > --le
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Hi Eileen,
>>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
>>>>> years old.
>>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
>>>>> stuff, as I
>>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
>>>>> friend for
>>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
>>>>> not now. So,
>>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me going.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
>>>>> is 30 miles
>>>>> > away.
>>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
>>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
>>>>> calendar. And, if
>>>>> > I
>>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
>>>>> let me know.
>>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Lynda
>>>>> > Lynda Lambert
>>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
>>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Lynda:
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
>>>>> shops, but
>>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you.  They are
>>>>> used mostly
>>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
>>>>> this frightens
>>>>> >> a lot of people away from them.  I suppose to that since they
>>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
>>>>> stock them.  If
>>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
>>>>> Pattern Works.
>>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
>>>>> them to be a
>>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> Eileen
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
>>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word!  That is downright frightening. I am up for
>>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up in
>>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
>>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class in
>>>>> >>>>September  on how to do a life line.  Patternworks does have the
>>>>> >>>>needle she is  suggesting and I thought if anyone was
>>>>> poking around
>>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this  summer and
>>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
>>>>> the info:
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000   price is: $18
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>>
>>>>> >>>> Joyce  Kane
>>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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