[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

Mon Jun 28 12:13:15 UTC 2010

The same thing happened with me.  I learned print in first grade.  It was getting to be to slow for me to read but at least I had learned all the letters, so they moved me on to braille.  My big problem was learning to write.  I learned most of the small letters, some of the large and to finally sign my name.
I sure will stick with print or braille where ever I can!

Terry P.

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From: joseli Walter [mailto:joseli at thezoolady.net]
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 7:41 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

I never could relate to the students in my class at the Iowa department for the blind who were just learning Braille.  I'd known Braille all my life, so of course, to me it was a breeze.  Then, I started learning to write print, and I felt the pain. I suddenly knew what it was like to take five minutes to write a simple sentence.  I guess Life works in interesting ways and  God has very good ideas when it comes to teaching empathy!

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[mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of qubit
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:26 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

Hi -- I think sometimes the slowness of a beginner learning to read braille is the biggest hurdle, not the prejudice against it.  It isn't just picking up the code -- that's just a little memorization -- it's getting your fingers and your brain accustomed to recognizing those dot patterns.  At least that has been my biggest hurdle.  I have known the codes since I was in grade school, but had some print vision until recent years.  I have files labeled in braille and I take notes in braille, but to do any kind of volumous reading is just miserably slow.  My speed has improved a bit since I started teaching sunday school a couple of years ago -- it gives me a chance to read outlines real time as I'm teaching a class.  That has forced me to pick it up a bit.
Hope you can get your speed up.  I use an embosser that is interpoint, and I think this is the reason why it seems to punch dots just a tiny hair's width from where it seems like it's supposed to be, which makes some words harder to recognize.  But recognizing dot patterns takes practice.
Happy krafting.
--le

----- Original Message -----
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

Well, maybe too if your life was in upheaval from loosing your sight and maybe you were feeling a little negative towards Braille and all you had to newly learn or things you had to relearn just to get buy from day to day it may not have been the right time for you to learn Braille.  At least you learned Grade I and can perhaps jot down a phone number or mark a bottle or skein of yarn with a Braille label.  All I can tell you is that between both my talking computer & Braille I can tend to all my household business from paying bills on line to processing mail ... all important mail that has to be saved gets  Brailled with who its from, date, amounts, anything that is important to know right off the top when I am looking through envelopes.  So many other ways Braille can be useful I can't list them all.  The talking computer would not be enough on its own for me to take care of all my stuff independantly.  Maybe one day, if you feel like you're having a difficult time finding stuff or keeping organized you will reconsider learning more Braille when the motivation is stronger.  Soap box off ... at least you did give Braille a try.

Eileen
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From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:49 PM
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Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE:  needles

> I did have 15 weeks of it at the school I went to for Personal
> Adjustment to Blindness. Then, I did Course I through Hadley. I
> started Course 2, but after doing a couple of lessons, I quit. It was
> so time intensive, and I just felt like I would never use it for anything.
>
> Lynda Lambert
> River Road Studio, Since 1976
> www.lyndalambert.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:36 PM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
>
>
>> Lynda:
>>
>> I'm in complete agreement with Cindy & Terry.  I learned Braille when
>> I was 18 years old after having lost my sight & having been totally
>> sighted. Today, I could not live without it on a number of different
>> levels.  So, if there is not any type of physical/nerve problem that
>> is preventing you from learning it give it a try.  When I work on my
>> knitting patterns of a more complex design there is nothing like
>> having a hard copy printout that I can keep referring back to.  If a
>> pattern is simple then I can get away with listening to it being read
>> by a notetaker or Victor Reader Stream, but if it has a more
>> intricate stitch pattern or patterns & lots of shaping I need a hard
>> copy.  Besides, its more comfortable when I put my feet up in bed,
>> put on a talking book, take out my knitting and have a Braille print
>> out to confirm directions on than having to switch my listening mode
>> to another file or device to hear knitting instructions read to me.
>>
>> If you have any way of learning Braille even just Grade 1 try it.
>> When I learned how to read & write Braille I was totally fascinated
>> by it.  It was like learning a new language.  It only took me about 6
>> months to learn both grades 1 & 2 and how to both read and write it.
>>
>> . If you get Braille skills under your belt there is absolutely no
>> reason why you will not be able to go back to all the types of
>> patterns you used to like knitting before loosing your sight.  Don't
>> let anyone tell you it is difficult or that you can't learn it.  It
>> is as complicated as you want to make it and since it is a very
>> logical system I have no doubt that you will catch on quickly.
>>
>> Good luck.
>>
>> Eileen
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE:  needles
>>
>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As a very
>>> visual learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in
>>> braille that I need to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
>>>
>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart each
>>> of the lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A
>>> paper clip marks which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip
>>> around in my bag.
>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an audio
>>> version of the pattern.
>>>
>>> Cindy S.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of River
>>>> Woman
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Eileen,
>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed up and
>>>> have not been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym where
>>>> my friend fixes it for me. I do want to be able to do this again by
>>>> myself. I gave up on Braille as I just do not see it as something
>>>> that I need to do. I learned the alpahabet and then took course 1
>>>> through Hadley, and then into course 2 decided it was a waste of my
>>>> time since I do everything with electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert
>>>> River Road Studio, Since
>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
>>>> able to see
>>>> >well  enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
>>>> I got used to using
>>>> > touch to know what I was doing.   If you practice, it isn't
>>>> hard to feel
>>>> > what is going on.  I consider myself very visual as I visualize
>>>> > the stitches in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
>>>> I have a hard
>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
>>>> knitting, I know
>>>> > what
>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
>>>> where I am and
>>>> > what needs to be done.)
>>>> >
>>>> > Happy krafting.
>>>> > --le
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Eileen,
>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
>>>> years old.
>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
>>>> stuff, as I
>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
>>>> friend for
>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
>>>> not now. So,
>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get me going.
>>>> >
>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
>>>> is 30 miles
>>>> > away.
>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
>>>> calendar. And, if
>>>> > I
>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
>>>> let me know.
>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
>>>> >
>>>> > Lynda
>>>> > Lynda Lambert
>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >> Lynda:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
>>>> shops, but
>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you.  They are
>>>> used mostly
>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
>>>> this frightens
>>>> >> a lot of people away from them.  I suppose to that since they
>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
>>>> stock them.  If
>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
>>>> Pattern Works.
>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
>>>> them to be a
>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eileen
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word!  That is downright frightening. I am up
>>>> >>> for it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads up
>>>> >>> in advance. Lynda
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a class
>>>> >>>>in September  on how to do a life line.  Patternworks does have
>>>> >>>>the needle she is  suggesting and I thought if anyone was
>>>> poking around
>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this  summer and
>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
>>>> the info:
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000   price is: $18
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Joyce  Kane
>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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