[Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles

Sahar Husseini sahar at inebraska.com
Wed Jun 30 22:42:14 UTC 2010


I can read through the bags most of the time.  They're thin plastic.

Warm regards,
Sahar Husseini
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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Marianne Denning 
  To: List for blind crafters and artists 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:38 PM
  Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles


  You can staple it.  I opened each bag.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
  To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 4:04 PM
  Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles


  > If the braille is inside, how do you read it, with out opening each one. 
  > I would think you would put it on the outside of the bag.  I stapled my 
  > descriptive labels to each bag.
  >
  > Terry
  >
  >
  > -----Original Message-----
  > From: Marianne Denning [mailto:mdenning at cinci.rr.com]
  > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:40 AM
  > To: List for blind crafters and artists
  > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >
  > Terry, I have used zip-lock bags and put a braille label inside the bag 
  > that tells the color.  There are some pretty small zip-lock bags.
  >
  > Marianne
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <TerrTerry, I have uused zip-lock 
  > bags y.Powers at nih.gov>
  > To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
  > <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  > Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:35 AM
  > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >
  >
  >> Laura;
  >> My sight is way to limited to do it that way.  Guess I need fresh tape.
  >> I just need to find some way to organize my beads.
  >>
  >> Terry P.
  >>
  >>
  >> -----Original Message-----
  >> From: River Woman [mailto:riverwoman at zoominternet.net]
  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 8:23 AM
  >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>
  >> How I sort and store my beads:
  >> I use the containers that are divided into individual squares. I put
  >> the label from the beads on the top part of the box, above where the
  >> bead is stored. That is, on the inside of the top of the box, so that
  >> when the box is closed the label is directly above that little square
  >> that holds those particular beads. Fire Mountain lables work great,
  >> they remain sticky, if removed from the bead package very carefully.
  >>
  >> Also, I have a separate box for each type of bead. For instance,
  >> Aventurine is the only kind of gemstone in the Aventurine box.
  >> Carnelian is the only kind of stone in the Carnelian box. etc. I do
  >> not mix up bead types at all.
  >> The boxes are labeled on the front of the outside of the box, and then
  >> everything is stored in ROY G BIV order.
  >>
  >> Lynda
  >> Lynda Lambert
  >> River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >> www.lyndalambert.com
  >> ----- Original Message -----
  >> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
  >> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
  >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 7:44 AM
  >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>
  >>
  >>>I am finding my dimo tape is coming off my beading boxes.  Any idea why.
  >>>The only reason I can come up with is maybe the tape was old and maybe
  >>>I need to trash all I have and get some new at convention and start my
  >>>labeling all over again.
  >>> What do you all use for storing your beads?  How do you label them?
  >>> I have plastic containers of all sizes and put the color and size of
  >>>the  bead.  I am not into exotic beads, yet.
  >>> I usually leave them on the string or card until I am ready to use
  >>>them  or  label them.
  >>> I need to get organized before I take up this craft, again.  I was
  >>>looking  for my wrapping wire to bring to convention, but can not find
  >>>it for the  life of me.
  >>>
  >>> Sahar;  Do you have any wire you can bring.  I will not have time to
  >>> get any more before convention.  I want to try out the tools at 
  >>> convention.
  >>>
  >>> Terry P.
  >>>
  >>>
  >>> -----Original Message-----
  >>> From: Sahar Husseini [mailto:sahar at inebraska.com]
  >>> Sent: Monday, June 28, 2010 9:52 PM
  >>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>
  >>> People always ask me why they should learn the slate and stylus.  So
  >>> many young people at the Center come to us not knowing how to write.
  >>> It breaks my heart.  I don't understand the logic of teaching
  >>> children to write with a pen but not teaching blind children to write
  >>> with the slate and stylus.
  >>> They're not the same, no, as some are so fond of arguing, but they're
  >>> both hand-writing.  I can't imagine my world without Braille.  I am
  >>> very disorganized, and if I didn't have Braille to help me keep the
  >>> mess sorted out, I'm not sure what I'd do.  My bead warehouse
  >>> downstairs would be more of an amazing mess without Braille.
  >>> Sometimes Braille is hard for people to learn, but it would be the
  >>> same if someone had to learn print as an adult.  It is no different.
  >>> I just know that I don't want to hire a reader or ask my husband
  >>> about what's what every time I need to design a piece of jewelry.
  >>> I'm not saying I never ask; I'm saying that I make every effort to
  >>> have things labeled so I don't need to ask as often.  Oh, and I
  >>> realized just this last year that I really needed to do way more
  >>> labeling.  *lol*  I thought I'd remember everything, so I'd just put
  >>> the label carnelian with my carnelian beads.  Never mind that there
  >>> are bazillions of different carnelian beads that I have, and each
  >>> from a different place, with a different price.  Oh, to be 30 again
  >>> and have the good memory I once had.  *laughing*
  >>>
  >>> Warm regards,
  >>> Sahar Husseini
  >>> For hand-crafted, one-of-a-kind jewelry, Please visit my Website at
  >>> www.saharscreations.com And remember, "Obstacles don't have to stop you.
  >>> If you run into a wall, don't turn around and give up.
  >>> Figure out how to climb it, go through it, or work around it."
  >>> Michael Jordan
  >>>  ----- Original Message -----
  >>>  From: MS S TILLETT
  >>>  To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >>>  Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 8:52 AM
  >>>  Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>  I've been a Braille mentor for years.  The oldest person I ever
  >>> taught was 78 when she started and she really did learn everything.
  >>> I worked with a friend who was in this thirties but he never really got 
  >>> very good.
  >>> He didn't work on it at home and you can't learn it sitting in my
  >>> kitchen for an hour once a week.  He is also loosing his hearing, and
  >>> if he looses it completely, no technology is going to do it.  Finally
  >>> we decided he should just consintrate on learning the alphabet so
  >>> that he can at least label things and write notes to himself, but he
  >>> doesn't really use it.  I helped him label his CDs and I guess he
  >>> does read those.  I think it is just very individual.  I would think
  >>> that learning just enough to write things down would be helpful.  I
  >>> have been a Braillle reader all my life, and I'm not a speed-queen,
  >>> but I wouldn't trade it for anything.
  >>>
  >>>  I think it is very sad that young people don't think it is necessary
  >>> because of their dependence on technology.  Sue
  >>>    ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    From: River Woman
  >>>    To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >>>    Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 8:27 PM
  >>>    Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>    You have hit it on the head - I see it as being soooooo slow, and
  >>> that I
  >>>    would take forever and never be very good at it. I do not enjoy it
  >>> at all
  >>>    and at this point in my life I feel like there is no reason I need
  >>> to do it.
  >>>    I think to be proficient, meaning that I could stand and give a
  >>> lecture
  >>>    using braille, would take many years to achieve. I can't imagine
  >>> someone my
  >>>    age really becoming proficient at it.  I can "read" books and knit
  >>> at the
  >>>    same time now, and I like that a lot.  I think that if I want to 
  >>> learn
  >>>    something, it would be to concentrate on a foreign language that I
  >>> really
  >>>    want to learn, just for my own satisfaction. Lynda
  >>>    Lynda Lambert
  >>>    River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >>>    www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    From: "Marianne Denning" <mdenning at cinci.rr.com>
  >>>    To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 7:34 PM
  >>>    Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>
  >>>
  >>>    > Lynda, I was a rehabilitation teacher before I became a TVI.
  >>> Many older
  >>>    > adults do not learn braille.  This is for several reasons.  It
  >>> is harder
  >>>    > to learn new skills as we get older and our fingers lose some of
  >>> their
  >>>    > sensativity through the years.  If you were determined to learn
  >>> braille I
  >>>    > would tell you to go for it but if you want to focus on other
  >>> areas more I
  >>>    > think that is a good idea too.  If you are really interested in
  >>> learning
  >>>    > braille there may be a rehabilitation teacher in your area who
  >>> can help
  >>>    > you learn it.
  >>>    >
  >>>    > I have been a braille reader too and could not live without it but 
  >>> I
  >>>    > understand your feelings too.
  >>>    > Marianne Denning
  >>>    > ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
  >>>    > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    > Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 6:46 PM
  >>>    > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>    >
  >>>    >
  >>>    >>I am laughing - probably so.
  >>>    >>
  >>>    >> Lynda Lambert
  >>>    >> River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >>>    >> www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    >> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >> From: "Zimmer, Cindy" <cindy.zimmer at nebraska.gov>
  >>>    >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>>    >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 5:52 PM
  >>>    >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>    >>
  >>>    >>
  >>>    >>> I'm thinking Sahar is gonna have some words of wisdom for you
  >>> again.
  >>>    >>> *grin
  >>>    >>>
  >>>    >>> Cindy Zimmer
  >>>    >>>
  >>>    >>> -----Original Message-----
  >>>    >>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
  >>>    >>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
  >>> River Woman
  >>>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:00 PM
  >>>    >>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >>>    >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>    >>>
  >>>    >>> Since I was sighted until I was 64 years old, Braille is
  >>> really not so
  >>>    >>> appealing to me. I am sure if I learned it as a child, that
  >>> would be
  >>>    >>> very
  >>>    >>> different. Right now, I want to do things in theleast amount
  >>> of time
  >>>    >>> possible, and I can see that really learning Braille would
  >>> take so much
  >>>    >>> time, and at my age, it is just so much more efficient to use
  >>> technology
  >>>    >>> for
  >>>    >>> everything. I am almost 67 now, so have had to learn so much
  >>> in a short
  >>>    >>> time, I just decided not to do this. Lynda
  >>>    >>> Lynda Lambert
  >>>    >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >>>    >>> www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >>> From: "Powers, Terry (NIH/OD/DEAS) [E]" <Terry.Powers at nih.gov>
  >>>    >>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
  >>>    >>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:33 PM
  >>>    >>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>    >>>
  >>>    >>>
  >>>    >>>> Did you ever think of a note taker.  Then you would have
  >>> voice and
  >>>    >>>> refreshable braille.  The braille is more distinct than regular
  >>>    >>>> braille.
  >>>    >>>> If you were in dought of a symbol, you could check it with
  >>> the speech.
  >>>    >>>> I
  >>>    >>>> have been reading braille since second grade and do not know
  >>> where I
  >>>    >>>> would
  >>>    >>>> be with out it.  I love braille.
  >>>    >>>> I have my helmit pattern on the computer and one embossed
  >>> copy at home.
  >>>    >>>> If the braille copy gets lost or damaged, I can emboss
  >>> another copy to
  >>>    >>>> follow.
  >>>    >>>> It is only recently, I am learning to emboss, and I love it!
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>> Terry P.
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>> -----Original Message-----
  >>>    >>>> From: slery [mailto:slerythema at insightbb.com]
  >>>    >>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 4:09 PM
  >>>    >>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
  >>>    >>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] Braille was RE: needles
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>> Ah, Lynda. Braille works amazingly well with electronics. As
  >>> a very
  >>>    >>>> visual
  >>>    >>>> learner, I find it so much easier to "read" something in
  >>> braille that I
  >>>    >>>> need to know specifics on than it is to listen to it.
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>> I currently braille out my patterns for knitting. I cut apart
  >>> each of
  >>>    >>>> the
  >>>    >>>> lines and keep them on a ring that I can flip through. A
  >>> paper clip
  >>>    >>>> marks
  >>>    >>>> which line I am on in case I drop them or they flip around in
  >>> my bag.
  >>>    >>>> Personally, I would go crazy if I had to knit listening to an
  >>> audio
  >>>    >>>> version of the pattern.
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>> Cindy S.
  >>>    >>>>
  >>>    >>>>> -----Original Message-----
  >>>    >>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
  >>>    >>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
  >>> River
  >>>    >>>>> Woman
  >>>    >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 4:26 PM
  >>>    >>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
  >>>    >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>>
  >>>    >>>>>
  >>>    >>>>> Eileen,
  >>>    >>>>> Mostly, it is when I have dropped a stitch that I get messed
  >>> up and
  >>>    >>>>> have not been able to recover it. Then, I take it to the gym
  >>> where my
  >>>    >>>>> friend fixes it for me. I do want to be able to do this again 
  >>> by
  >>>    >>>>> myself. I gave up on Braille as I just do not see it as
  >>> something that
  >>>    >>>>> I need to do. I learned the alpahabet and then took course 1
  >>> through
  >>>    >>>>> Hadley, and then into course 2 decided it was a waste of my
  >>> time since
  >>>    >>>>> I do everything with electronics. Lynda Lynda Lambert River 
  >>> Road
  >>>    >>>>> Studio, Since
  >>>    >>>>> 1976 www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >>>>> From: "qubit" <lauraeaves at yahoo.com>
  >>>    >>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>>    >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 3:56 PM
  >>>    >>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>>
  >>>    >>>>>
  >>>    >>>>> >I had partial sight for a very long time, but I was never
  >>>    >>>>> able to see
  >>>    >>>>> >well  enough to see knitting when I learned it -- so I guess
  >>>    >>>>> I got used to using
  >>>    >>>>> > touch to know what I was doing.   If you practice, it isn't
  >>>    >>>>> hard to feel
  >>>    >>>>> > what is going on.  I consider myself very visual as I
  >>> visualize the
  >>>    >>>>> > stitches in my mind, but I identify them by touch.
  >>>    >>>>> > I'm sure you can do it it (I'm a lousy braille reader, and
  >>>    >>>>> I have a hard
  >>>    >>>>> > time identify tactile graphics and pictures, but with
  >>>    >>>>> knitting, I know
  >>>    >>>>> > what
  >>>    >>>>> > it is supposed to look like, and so it isn't hard to find
  >>>    >>>>> where I am and
  >>>    >>>>> > what needs to be done.)
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> > Happy krafting.
  >>>    >>>>> > --le
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >>>>> > From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
  >>>    >>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>>    >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 1:39 PM
  >>>    >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> > Hi Eileen,
  >>>    >>>>> > I have been an avid knitter for many years, since about 8
  >>>    >>>>> years old.
  >>>    >>>>> > But since my sight loss, I have not ventured into the hard
  >>>    >>>>> stuff, as I
  >>>    >>>>> > do not know how to FIX a mistake and have to take it to a
  >>>    >>>>> friend for
  >>>    >>>>> > help. Before , I used to be able to fix most anyting, but
  >>>    >>>>> not now. So,
  >>>    >>>>> > I need to begin to be more adventurous and this will get
  >>> me going.
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> > I live in a rural area, no local yarn shops - closest one
  >>>    >>>>> is 30 miles
  >>>    >>>>> > away.
  >>>    >>>>> > I will probably order one on line.
  >>>    >>>>> > Do you have a date for the class - so I can put it on my
  >>>    >>>>> calendar. And, if
  >>>    >>>>> > I
  >>>    >>>>> > need to do anything before the class to be prepared, please
  >>>    >>>>> let me know.
  >>>    >>>>> > When will we sign up for the class, do you know?
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> > Lynda
  >>>    >>>>> > Lynda Lambert
  >>>    >>>>> > River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >>>    >>>>> > www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    >>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >>>>> > From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
  >>>    >>>>> > To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>>    >>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>>>> > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 2:11 PM
  >>>    >>>>> > Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >
  >>>    >>>>> >> Lynda:
  >>>    >>>>> >>
  >>>    >>>>> >> You can sometimes get the size 000 needles at local yarn
  >>>    >>>>> shops, but
  >>>    >>>>> >> they might have to special order them for you.  They are
  >>>    >>>>> used mostly
  >>>    >>>>> >> for lace knitting and with very fine yarn so I suppose
  >>>    >>>>> this frightens
  >>>    >>>>> >> a lot of people away from them.  I suppose to that since 
  >>> they
  >>>    >>>>> >> probably aren't huge sellers yarn shops don't normaly
  >>>    >>>>> stock them.  If
  >>>    >>>>> >> your local yarn shop can't get them then go through
  >>>    >>>>> Pattern Works.
  >>>    >>>>> >> We will not actually be knitting with them, but I find
  >>>    >>>>> them to be a
  >>>    >>>>> >> useful tool in a number of ways.
  >>>    >>>>> >>
  >>>    >>>>> >> Eileen
  >>>    >>>>> >>
  >>>    >>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
  >>>    >>>>> >> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
  >>>    >>>>> >> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:55 AM
  >>>    >>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
  >>>    >>>>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>> >>
  >>>    >>>>> >>> Size 000, OH My Word!  That is downright frightening. I
  >>> am up for
  >>>    >>>>> >>> it...haha. Will get the needls and thatns for the heads
  >>> up in
  >>>    >>>>> >>> advance. Lynda
  >>>    >>>>> >>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>> Lynda Lambert
  >>>    >>>>> >>> River Road Studio, Since 1976
  >>>    >>>>> >>> www.lyndalambert.com
  >>>    >>>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
  >>>    >>>>> >>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
  >>>    >>>>> >>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
  >>>    >>>>> >>> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 11:18 AM
  >>>    >>>>> >>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] needles
  >>>    >>>>> >>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>I know I am jumping the gun here, but Eileen is giving a
  >>> class in
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>September  on how to do a life line.  Patternworks does
  >>> have the
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>needle she is  suggesting and I thought if anyone was
  >>>    >>>>> poking around
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>a yarn shop this  summer and
  >>>    >>>>> >>>> wanted to check picking one of these up I would give you
  >>>    >>>>> the info:
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>> Abbey 40 inch circular needle size 000   price is: $18
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>>
  >>>    >>>>> >>>> Joyce  Kane
  >>>    >>>>> >>>> www.KraftersKorner.org  (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
  >>>    >>>>> >>>> Blindhands at AOL.com
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