[Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes

Eileen Scrivani etscrivani at verizon.net
Tue Jan 4 16:12:54 UTC 2011 

Dixie:

You are right.  There's no reason why someone on the West coast should have 
to alter their time to suit east coast needs.  As for schools adapting 
schedules to meet time when people will attend I doubt very strongly that 
college instructors who are paid well for their time & knowledge are asked 
to teach at 11 PM or 12 midnight to meet students needs.  Again instructors 
on this list are non-salaried volunteers. People taking these classes are 
paying pennies per class and for $10 per year can attend as many classes as 
they like.  I think that people volunteering their time and knowledge are 
owed the common curtosy of having students attend and make the times in 
their schedule.  Again its only 1 to 2 hours.  If my husband told me he 
could not hold down the fort while I needed 1 or two hours to do something 
for myself there'd be a lot of trouble in paradise.  And even though I enjoy 
my time with my family & husband I don't have the need to spend a full 8 or 
12 hours of the day with that person.  Again, I have been willing to adjust 
my time slots for classes within reason, but I do want to be have people 
actively attending the classes I offer.


Eileen




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From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:05 AM
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes

> To add to this...
>
> The instructors who come from the west coast shouldn't be asked to adjust
> their lives for those of us on the east coast either.  If Terrence wants 
> to
> teach a class at 7:00 PM Alaskan time, then those of us on eastern time 
> have
> the option of changing our schedules and staying up late to attend, or not
> attending the class.  If I want to take a class at my local art studio, or
> college,  I don't tell the instructor he/she must change the class time
> because I don't have a ride at that particular time slot, I either find a
> ride, or don't take the class.
>
>
>
>
> That being said, I do know that when scheduling classes, schools do try 
> and
> schedule when they think students will be able to attend their classes. 
> So,
> if an instructor wants to try scheduling a class during the week, mid-day,
> to see if it is something people would like to attend, there is nothing
> wrong with that either.   Schools do schedule when they know that there is
> the best chance they will be able to attract students.
>
> Finally, I personally would like to thank all of the instructors whom I 
> have
> taken classes from over the past 6 months.  You all have made my life much
> happier, giving me the confidence to add crafting back into my life.  I 
> love
> that my hands are always busy again.  Thank you ladies and gentlemen for
> this wonderful gift!
>
>
> Dixie
> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of AUDREY 
> WELLNER
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
> Eileen,
>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the 
> time
> constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for
> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your PJ's, 
> put
> your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from a teacher who
> understands your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours
> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give you a back up
> MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for additional 
> questions
> and then she shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's convenient
> for her to conduct the class!  The excuses and reasons are a little 
> unclear
> here.
>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was 
> inconvenient
> for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden streets to get to
> class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and
> dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my dinner (many 
> nights
> of which I went without between work and night classes) to make sure I 
> made
> it on time, even if they were art or leisure classes. I would have never
> thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if they were
> doing it on a volunteer basis.
>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for night
> school classes, we prepared our community night school calendars six 
> months
> in advance for classes.  The time slots were filled and both teachers and
> students had to prepare for the particular time that was set aside. Here
> Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is trying to
> accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time
> difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time convenient 
> for
> most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from
> leadership."
>
>  I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
> lessons,
> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
> have
> to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are 
> difficult
> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
> Terry K
>
>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry for
> those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm sure as 
> we
> go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional
> arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our
> volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their recordings without
> making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their classes. 
> Your
> individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.
>
> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
> Krafters Korner, division
>
>
> My goodness......me, me, me
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>
>
>
> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but there
> are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever reason.  That is 
> an
> individual's choice as to how they spend their time and work out issues in
> life.  I have a life, family and husband to along with houshold duties &
> responsibilities that need tending to just as others do.  When a class is
> offered I can either make the time and clear my schedule for 1 or two 
> hours
> (not a huge amount of time) or I can choose to not take the class.  I 
> would
> not make everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>
> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't want 
> to
> teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a lot of time &
> effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a topic to just be
> handed out to people who haven't made the effort to attend and participate
> with the rest of the people in a class.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
>> I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works for an
> instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>> For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take classes it is
> dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework with young kids 
> so
> should I not be allowed to benefit because of responsibilities like this?
>> I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later or if two
> times were available that would be helpful.
>> Lovette
>> At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>> Terry:
>>>
>>> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is impossible to meet
> everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my schedule
> acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go through 
> changes
> to make it just so for me.  When you want to learn or do something its up 
> to
> the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>>>
>>> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or Sundays
> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a 1 or 2 hour
> opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did not want to do it all 
> that
> badly. Everyone has other things going on in their lives including the
> people teaching so let's be reasonable about the time slots.
>>>
>>> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to people 
>>> who
> will not take the time to participate with the group or phone chats or 
> phone
> classes.  Just giving out the recordings without attendance will ruin the
> workings of how classes work.  We all learn from others questions and 
> input
> during the classes. Attendance is what makes the group and classes
> enjoyable.   I don't want to sit and lecture at a recording machine with 
> no
> living being on the other end.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
> lessons,
>>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions
> have
>>>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days are
> difficult
>>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>>>
>>>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before. Terry 
>>>> P,
> do
>>>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>>>
>>>> Terry K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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