[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Tue Jan 4 16:20:16 UTC 2011

Lynda River Woman,

To clarify, this whole discussion was started by Joyce asking for input and 
opinions on the best time to begin classes. There was nothing ridiculous 
about folks voicing their opinions no matter what they may be. You are 
right. We as individuals must figure out what we can or cannot do but as 
this group grows, issues like this will have to be explored. Failure to do 
so will limit and hinder the growth of the group. And, in the end, the 
leadership will take the input and figure out what seems to be the consensus 
of the group. I'm glad I don't have their job lol.

This discussion too will pass just like any others that a particular 
individual might not have an interest in.

Greg

-----Original Message----- 
From: River Woman
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:00 AM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

I agree wholeheartedly with you, Audrey. I am trying to figure out how this
all began. Seems like all of a sudden there are people complaining about the
time of the classes, then suddenly it seems to turn into a frenzy.

I say, Joyce and the teachers set the time and day of the classes, and the
rest of us figure out if we are willing to either miss a few minutes of
"dinner" , or stay up later than we like, etc. This is rediculous, in my
opinion.

I taught college classes for many years. The schedule for the classes was
set by ME, and it was up to the students to figure out how they would get
there and if they wanted to miss out on breakfast to be in my 8:15 am class,
or go home late at night after my 8:30 pm classes.
Either you want to take the class and can figure out your own scedule to do
it, or you don't.

I very much appreciate all the classes I have taken thus far. The teachers
are dedicated, kind, and very willing to help work through till we all "get
it." Let's just keep it that way!

Lynda River Woman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "AUDREY WELLNER" <rencraft at snet.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Eileen,
I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the time
constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for
unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your PJ's, put
your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from a teacher who
understands your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours
making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give you a back up
MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for additional questions
and then she shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's convenient
for her to conduct the class! The excuses and reasons are a little unclear
here.
No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was inconvenient
for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden streets to get to
class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and
dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my dinner (many nights
of which I went without between work and night classes) to make sure I made
it on time, even if they were art or leisure classes. I would have never
thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if they were
doing it on a volunteer basis.
When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for night
school classes, we prepared our community night school calendars six months
in advance for classes. The time slots were filled and both teachers and
students had to prepare for the particular time that was set aside. Here
Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is trying to
accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time
difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time convenient for
most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from
leadership."

I have been following all the interesting comments about time for lessons,
and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions have
to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are difficult
as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
Terry K

It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry for
those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm sure as we
go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional
arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our
volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their recordings without
making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their classes. Your
individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.

Audrey Wellner, Secretary
Krafters Korner, division

My goodness......me, me, me

--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:

From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM

My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but there
are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever reason. That is an
individual's choice as to how they spend their time and work out issues in
life. I have a life, family and husband to along with houshold duties &
responsibilities that need tending to just as others do. When a class is
offered I can either make the time and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours
(not a huge amount of time) or I can choose to not take the class. I would
not make everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.

As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't want to
teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a lot of time &
effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a topic to just be
handed out to people who haven't made the effort to attend and participate
with the rest of the people in a class.

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From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

> I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works for an 
> instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
> For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take classes it is 
> dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework with young kids 
> so should I not be allowed to benefit because of responsibilities like 
> this?
> I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later or if two 
> times were available that would be helpful.
> Lovette
> At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>> Terry:
>>
>> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement. It is impossible to meet 
>> everyone's needs. Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my schedule 
>> acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go through 
>> changes to make it just so for me. When you want to learn or do something 
>> its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>>
>> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or Sundays 
>> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a 1 or 2 hour 
>> opening for a weekend. That says to me they did not want to do it all 
>> that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their lives including 
>> the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the time slots.
>>
>> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to people who 
>> will not take the time to participate with the group or phone chats or 
>> phone classes. Just giving out the recordings without attendance will 
>> ruin the workings of how classes work. We all learn from others questions 
>> and input during the classes. Attendance is what makes the group and 
>> classes enjoyable. I don't want to sit and lecture at a recording machine 
>> with no living being on the other end.
>>
>> Eileen
>>
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
>>> lessons,
>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
>>> have
>>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days are 
>>> difficult
>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>>
>>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before. Terry P, 
>>> do
>>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>>
>>> Terry K
>>>
>>>
>>>
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