[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Tue Jan 4 19:45:03 UTC 2011

Hi Every one, I certainly agree that we should schedule our classes when it 
is convenient for the teachers to teach them.
I really appreciate the time that they take to plan and teach us.
We should try to be the best students that we can be.

Sincerely,

Carol Siegel

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

>I agree wholeheartedly with you, Audrey. I am trying to figure out how this 
>all began. Seems like all of a sudden there are people complaining about 
>the time of the classes, then suddenly it seems to turn into a frenzy.
>
> I say, Joyce and the teachers set the time and day of the classes, and the 
> rest of us figure out if we are willing to either miss a few minutes of 
> "dinner" , or stay up later than we like, etc. This is rediculous, in my 
> opinion.
>
> I taught college classes for many years. The schedule for the classes was 
> set by ME, and it was up to the students to figure out how they would get 
> there and if they wanted to miss out on breakfast to be in my 8:15 am 
> class, or go home late at night after my 8:30 pm classes.
> Either you want to take the class and can figure out your own scedule to 
> do it, or you don't.
>
> I very much appreciate all the classes I have taken thus far. The teachers 
> are dedicated, kind, and very willing to help work through till we all 
> "get it." Let's just keep it that way!
>
> Lynda River Woman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "AUDREY WELLNER" <rencraft at snet.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
>
> Eileen,
> I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the time 
> constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
> I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for 
> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your PJ's, 
> put your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from a teacher 
> who understands your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours 
> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give you a back up 
> MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for additional 
> questions and then she shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's 
> convenient for her to conduct the class! The excuses and reasons are a 
> little unclear here.
> No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was inconvenient 
> for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden streets to get to 
> class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and 
> dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my dinner (many 
> nights of which I went without between work and night classes) to make 
> sure I made it on time, even if they were art or leisure classes. I would 
> have never thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if 
> they were doing it on a volunteer basis.
> When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for night 
> school classes, we prepared our community night school calendars six 
> months in advance for classes. The time slots were filled and both 
> teachers and students had to prepare for the particular time that was set 
> aside. Here Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is trying 
> to accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time 
> difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time convenient 
> for most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from 
> leadership."
>
> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for lessons,
> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
> have
> to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are 
> difficult
> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
> Terry K
>
> It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry for 
> those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm sure as 
> we go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional 
> arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our 
> volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their recordings without 
> making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their classes. 
> Your individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.
>
> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
> Krafters Korner, division
>
>
> My goodness......me, me, me
>
>
>
> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>
>
>
> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but there 
> are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever reason. That is 
> an individual's choice as to how they spend their time and work out issues 
> in life. I have a life, family and husband to along with houshold duties & 
> responsibilities that need tending to just as others do. When a class is 
> offered I can either make the time and clear my schedule for 1 or two 
> hours (not a huge amount of time) or I can choose to not take the class. I 
> would not make everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual 
> issues.
>
> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't want 
> to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a lot of 
> time & effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a topic to 
> just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to attend and 
> participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
>> I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works for an 
>> instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>> For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take classes it is 
>> dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework with young kids 
>> so should I not be allowed to benefit because of responsibilities like 
>> this?
>> I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later or if two 
>> times were available that would be helpful.
>> Lovette
>> At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>> Terry:
>>>
>>> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement. It is impossible to meet 
>>> everyone's needs. Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my schedule 
>>> acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go through 
>>> changes to make it just so for me. When you want to learn or do 
>>> something its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>>>
>>> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or Sundays 
>>> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a 1 or 2 hour 
>>> opening for a weekend. That says to me they did not want to do it all 
>>> that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their lives including 
>>> the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the time slots.
>>>
>>> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to people 
>>> who will not take the time to participate with the group or phone chats 
>>> or phone classes. Just giving out the recordings without attendance will 
>>> ruin the workings of how classes work. We all learn from others 
>>> questions and input during the classes. Attendance is what makes the 
>>> group and classes enjoyable. I don't want to sit and lecture at a 
>>> recording machine with no living being on the other end.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>>
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
>>>> lessons,
>>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
>>>> have
>>>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days are 
>>>> difficult
>>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>>>
>>>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before. Terry 
>>>> P, do
>>>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>>>
>>>> Terry K
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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