[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Tue Jan 4 17:32:23 UTC 2011

Well I did not mean to make everyone so upset just stated my struggles.
I won't say anymore and won't commit to anything unless I can be there.
I just thought with everyone being so spread out with time 
differences this could be a consideration. I understand though and 
this will be my last post on the subject.
Sorry I said anything at all.
Lovette
At 02:07 AM 1/4/2011, you wrote:
>Eileen,
>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning 
> the time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership 
> for unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in 
> your PJ's, put your finger in the dial and call in an get 
> instructions from a teacher who understands your special challenges 
> in crafting, they also spend hours making sure their instructions 
> are clearly understood, give you a back up MP3 copy of the class 
> and sometimes also makes time for additional questions and then she 
> shouldn't have the choice of determining when it's convenient for 
> her to conduct the class!  The excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was 
> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow 
> laden streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never 
> in mind of sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up 
> my child, cook my dinner (many nights of which I went without 
> between work and night classes) to make sure I made it on time, 
> even if they were art or leisure classes. I would have never 
> thought of asking my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if 
> they were doing it on a volunteer basis.
>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule 
> for night school classes, we prepared our community night school 
> calendars six months in advance for classes.  The time slots were 
> filled and both teachers and students had to prepare for the 
> particular time that was set aside. Here Joyce is working with a 
> calendar and times where she is trying to accommodate everyone's 
> schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time difference, not just 
> one time zone and trying to find a time convenient for most people. 
> As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from leadership."
>
>  I have been following all the interesting comments about time for lessons,
>and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions have
>to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are difficult
>as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>Terry K
>
>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel 
> sorry for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and 
> overseas. I'm sure as we go forward Joyce and the board will try to 
> make some additional arrangements. But please try to understand and 
> be considerate of our volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just 
> request their recordings without making an effort to give them the 
> courtesy of attending their classes. Your individual question can 
> not be properly addressed by a recording.
>
>Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>Krafters Korner, division
>
>
>My goodness......me, me, me
>
>
>
>--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
>From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>
>
>
>My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but 
>there are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever 
>reason.  That is an individual's choice as to how they spend their 
>time and work out issues in life.  I have a life, family and husband 
>to along with houshold duties & responsibilities that need tending 
>to just as others do.  When a class is offered I can either make the 
>time and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge amount of 
>time) or I can choose to not take the class.  I would not make 
>everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>
>As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't 
>want to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a 
>lot of time & effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a 
>topic to just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to 
>attend and participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>
>--------------------------------------------------
>From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works 
> for an instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take 
> classes it is dinner hour and I have a family to think of and 
> homework with young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit 
> because of responsibilities like this?
> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later 
> or if two times were available that would be helpful.
> > Lovette
> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
> >> Terry:
> >>
> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is impossible to 
> meet everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my 
> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to 
> go through changes to make it just so for me.  When you want to 
> learn or do something its up to the individual to make it happen 
> for themselves.
> >>
> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or 
> Sundays either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make 
> a 1 or 2 hour opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did not 
> want to do it all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in 
> their lives including the people teaching so let's be reasonable 
> about the time slots.
> >>
> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to 
> people who will not take the time to participate with the group or 
> phone chats or phone classes.  Just giving out the recordings 
> without attendance will ruin the workings of how classes work.  We 
> all learn from others questions and input during the classes. 
> Attendance is what makes the group and classes enjoyable.   I don't 
> want to sit and lecture at a recording machine with no living being 
> on the other end.
> >>
> >> Eileen
> >>
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time 
> for lessons,
> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard 
> decisions have
> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days 
> are difficult
> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
> >>>
> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before. 
> Terry P, do
> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
> >>>
> >>> Terry K
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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