[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Wed Jan 5 12:00:29 UTC 2011

Lovette,

Don't worry about stirring the pot, you were asked a question and you gave 
your answer, no more, no less.  You are a part of the group and I don't 
think there is anyone here who would want you to not ask questions or give 
an opinion just because it could possibly stir the caldren.

I look forward to working with you in the future.

Susan
(804) 781-0327
dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

> Well I did not mean to make everyone so upset just stated my struggles.
> I won't say anymore and won't commit to anything unless I can be there.
> I just thought with everyone being so spread out with time differences 
> this could be a consideration. I understand though and this will be my 
> last post on the subject.
> Sorry I said anything at all.
> Lovette
> At 02:07 AM 1/4/2011, you wrote:
>>Eileen,
>>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the 
>> time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for 
>> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your PJ's, 
>> put your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions from a 
>> teacher who understands your special challenges in crafting, they also 
>> spend hours making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give 
>> you a back up MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes time for 
>> additional questions and then she shouldn't have the choice of 
>> determining when it's convenient for her to conduct the class!  The 
>> excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
>>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was 
>> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden 
>> streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind of 
>> sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child, cook my 
>> dinner (many nights of which I went without between work and night 
>> classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were art or leisure 
>> classes. I would have never thought of asking my teacher to meet my 
>> schedule, especially if they were doing it on a volunteer basis.
>>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for 
>> night school classes, we prepared our community night school calendars 
>> six months in advance for classes.  The time slots were filled and both 
>> teachers and students had to prepare for the particular time that was set 
>> aside. Here Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is 
>> trying to accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour 
>> time difference, not just one time zone and trying to find a time 
>> convenient for most people. As Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have 
>> to come from leadership."
>>
>>  I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
>> lessons,
>>and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard decisions 
>>have
>>to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are 
>>difficult
>>as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>Terry K
>>
>>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry 
>> for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm sure 
>> as we go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some additional 
>> arrangements. But please try to understand and be considerate of our 
>> volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request their recordings without 
>> making an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their classes. 
>> Your individual question can not be properly addressed by a recording.
>>
>>Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>>Krafters Korner, division
>>
>>
>>My goodness......me, me, me
>>
>>
>>
>>--- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but there 
>>are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever reason.  That is 
>>an individual's choice as to how they spend their time and work out issues 
>>in life.  I have a life, family and husband to along with houshold duties 
>>& responsibilities that need tending to just as others do.  When a class 
>>is offered I can either make the time and clear my schedule for 1 or two 
>>hours (not a huge amount of time) or I can choose to not take the class. 
>>I would not make everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual 
>>issues.
>>
>>As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't want 
>>to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a lot of 
>>time & effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a topic to 
>>just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to attend and 
>>participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>>
>>--------------------------------------------------
>>From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>>Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>>To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works
>> for an instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
>> classes it is dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework 
>> with young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit because of 
>> responsibilities like this?
>> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later
>> or if two times were available that would be helpful.
>> > Lovette
>> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>> >> Terry:
>> >>
>> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is impossible to
>> meet everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my 
>> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go 
>> through changes to make it just so for me.  When you want to learn or do 
>> something its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>> >>
>> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or
>> Sundays either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a 1 or 
>> 2 hour opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did not want to do it 
>> all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their lives 
>> including the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the time 
>> slots.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to
>> people who will not take the time to participate with the group or phone 
>> chats or phone classes.  Just giving out the recordings without 
>> attendance will ruin the workings of how classes work.  We all learn from 
>> others questions and input during the classes. Attendance is what makes 
>> the group and classes enjoyable.   I don't want to sit and lecture at a 
>> recording machine with no living being on the other end.
>> >>
>> >> Eileen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>> >>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time
>> for lessons,
>> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>> decisions have
>> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days
>> are difficult
>> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before.
>> Terry P, do
>> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>> >>>
>> >>> Terry K
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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