[Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes

Tue Jan 4 19:43:45 UTC 2011

Cindy & all others in this discussion:

Just to clarify, I am not debating or arguing the fact that people in other 
time zones may need different times.  My contention with this is packaging 
up, in my case, my materials and giving them out to students who have not 
attended my class.  Solutions in my mind are to protect my materials Just as 
other people who are teachers, writers, crafts persons, artist &/or creators 
want there creations protected, and to get others on the list to become 
instructors and build their own class plans, lessons & associated materials. 
Again when & where I can, I have tried to work with people, but the original 
suggestion was to start classes at 9 PM this I cannot do.  So let's have 
some other folks in the western or central time zones step up and offer to 
do some teaching of what they are good at doing and work on developing their 
classes.

If my comments previously came across as harsh well, I'm just speaking my 
mind, but perhaps other comments came through as a little whiny.  We all 
have issues in our lives and we do the best we can, but the world does not 
always go the way we want it ... and that's the way it is for every one of 
us on this list.

Eileen

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From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:18 PM
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes

> I would like to second Dixie's comment and add that it would be nice to 
> have
> the occasional variance in class times. So far, most (90 or 95 percent)
> classes start at 8:00 pm or 8:30 pm. For many of the students, this seems 
> to
> be a good time. However, to support the growth in our membership and the
> vast locals that members are from, different times seem like a good idea 
> to
> at least try.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:06 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes
>>
>>
>> To add to this...
>>
>> The instructors who come from the west coast shouldn't be
>> asked to adjust their lives for those of us on the east coast
>> either.  If Terrence wants to teach a class at 7:00 PM
>> Alaskan time, then those of us on eastern time have the
>> option of changing our schedules and staying up late to
>> attend, or not attending the class.  If I want to take a
>> class at my local art studio, or college,  I don't tell the
>> instructor he/she must change the class time because I don't
>> have a ride at that particular time slot, I either find a
>> ride, or don't take the class.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, I do know that when scheduling classes,
>> schools do try and schedule when they think students will be
>> able to attend their classes.  So, if an instructor wants to
>> try scheduling a class during the week, mid-day, to see if it
>> is something people would like to attend, there is nothing
>> wrong with that either.   Schools do schedule when they know
>> that there is
>> the best chance they will be able to attract students.
>>
>> Finally, I personally would like to thank all of the
>> instructors whom I have taken classes from over the past 6
>> months.  You all have made my life much happier, giving me
>> the confidence to add crafting back into my life.  I love
>> that my hands are always busy again.  Thank you ladies and
>> gentlemen for this wonderful gift!
>>
>>
>>  Dixie
>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> AUDREY WELLNER
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>> Eileen,
>>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread
>> concerning the time constraints for classes and I agree with
>> you whole heartily.
>>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10
>> membership for unlimited classes for a whole year where you
>> can sit home in your PJ's, put your finger in the dial and
>> call in an get instructions from a teacher who understands
>> your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours
>> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give
>> you a back up MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes
>> time for additional questions and then she shouldn't have the
>> choice of determining when it's convenient for her to conduct
>> the class!  The excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
>>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it
>> was inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through
>> snow laden streets to get to class on the time it was
>> scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and dialing in or
>> whether I had to pick up my child, cook my dinner (many
>> nights of which I went without between work and night
>> classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were
>> art or leisure classes. I would have never thought of asking
>> my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if they were doing
>> it on a volunteer basis.
>>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a
>> schedule for night school classes, we prepared our community
>> night school calendars six months in advance for classes.
>> The time slots were filled and both teachers and students had
>> to prepare for the particular time that was set aside. Here
>> Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is
>> trying to accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3
>> to 6 hour time difference, not just one time zone and trying
>> to find a time convenient for most people. As Terry K put it,
>> "the hard decisions have to come from leadership."
>>
>>  I have been following all the interesting comments about
>> time for lessons, and really do not know how you can please
>> everyone, the hard decisions have to come from leadership. I
>> can do about every time frame, days are difficult as now new
>> year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan
>> for it. Terry K
>>
>>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really
>> feel sorry for those who are in the far reaches of our nation
>> and overseas. I'm sure as we go forward Joyce and the board
>> will try to make some additional arrangements. But please try
>> to understand and be considerate of our volunteer, unpaid
>> teachers and not just request their recordings without making
>> an effort to give them the courtesy of attending their
>> classes. Your individual question can not be properly
>> addressed by a recording.
>>
>> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>> Krafters Korner, division
>>
>>
>> My goodness......me, me, me
>>
>>
>>
>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>>
>>
>>
>> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and
>> times but there are people that claim they just can't do it
>> for whatever reason.  That is an individual's choice as to
>> how they spend their time and work out issues in life.  I
>> have a life, family and husband to along with houshold duties
>> & responsibilities that need tending to just as others do.
>> When a class is offered I can either make the time and clear
>> my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge amount of time) or
>> I can choose to not take the class.  I would not make
>> everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>>
>> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I
>> don't want to teach to a recording or allow the class
>> materials I've put a lot of time & effort into preparing as
>> well as my own expertese on a topic to just be handed out to
>> people who haven't made the effort to attend and participate
>> with the rest of the people in a class.
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what
>> works for
>> > an
>> instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
>> classes it
>> > is
>> dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework with
>> young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit because of
>> responsibilities like this?
>> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings
>> later or if
>> > two
>> times were available that would be helpful.
>> > Lovette
>> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>> >> Terry:
>> >>
>> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is impossible to meet
>> everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my
>> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or
>> instructor to go through changes to make it just so for me.
>> When you want to learn or do something its up to the
>> individual to make it happen for themselves.
>> >>
>> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or Sundays
>> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a
>> 1 or 2 hour opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did
>> not want to do it all that badly. Everyone has other things
>> going on in their lives including the people teaching so
>> let's be reasonable about the time slots.
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out
>> recordings to people
>> >> who
>> will not take the time to participate with the group or phone
>> chats or phone classes.  Just giving out the recordings
>> without attendance will ruin the workings of how classes
>> work.  We all learn from others questions and input during
>> the classes. Attendance is what makes the group and classes
>> enjoyable.   I don't want to sit and lecture at a recording
>> machine with no living being on the other end.
>> >>
>> >> Eileen
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>> >>
>> >>> Hello all,
>> >>>
>> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
>> lessons,
>> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>> >>> decisions
>> have
>> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days are
>> difficult
>> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if,
>> computer training.
>> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>> >>>
>> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before.
>> >>> Terry P,
>> do
>> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>> >>>
>> >>> Terry K
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
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