[Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes

Tue Jan 4 20:09:02 UTC 2011

I have not followed this discussion closely so I was not aware of any
comments regarding your class materials being made available to people that
did not attend the class.

My understanding of the discussion was just simply bringing up the topic of
possible class times. If no one would even consider taking 1:00 pm EST class
on a Friday, then we never need to offer that as an option. These are just
options that we are trying to open up for people. Obviously, if no
instructors want to hold class at a different time, then we can't have
classes other than the times we have been offering.

My best guess would be that Joyce is trying to schedule our Christmas in
August classes that have been proposed and offer different times that might
allow some people that have previously not attended classes to find
something that works for them. If an instructor is only available on certain
days at certain times, then they obviously can't even consider offering a
different time. 

Variety is the spice of life and flexibility makes the world go round.

Cindy S.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Eileen Scrivani
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:44 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes
> 
> 
> Cindy & all others in this discussion:
> 
> Just to clarify, I am not debating or arguing the fact that 
> people in other 
> time zones may need different times.  My contention with this 
> is packaging 
> up, in my case, my materials and giving them out to students 
> who have not 
> attended my class.  Solutions in my mind are to protect my 
> materials Just as 
> other people who are teachers, writers, crafts persons, 
> artist &/or creators 
> want there creations protected, and to get others on the list 
> to become 
> instructors and build their own class plans, lessons & 
> associated materials. 
> Again when & where I can, I have tried to work with people, 
> but the original 
> suggestion was to start classes at 9 PM this I cannot do.  So 
> let's have 
> some other folks in the western or central time zones step up 
> and offer to 
> do some teaching of what they are good at doing and work on 
> developing their 
> classes.
> 
> If my comments previously came across as harsh well, I'm just 
> speaking my 
> mind, but perhaps other comments came through as a little 
> whiny.  We all 
> have issues in our lives and we do the best we can, but the 
> world does not 
> always go the way we want it ... and that's the way it is for 
> every one of 
> us on this list.
> 
> Eileen
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 2:18 PM
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes
> 
> > I would like to second Dixie's comment and add that it 
> would be nice 
> > to
> > have
> > the occasional variance in class times. So far, most (90 or 
> 95 percent)
> > classes start at 8:00 pm or 8:30 pm. For many of the 
> students, this seems 
> > to
> > be a good time. However, to support the growth in our 
> membership and the
> > vast locals that members are from, different times seem 
> like a good idea 
> > to
> > at least try.
> >
> > Cindy S.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:06 AM
> >> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] times for classes
> >>
> >>
> >> To add to this...
> >>
> >> The instructors who come from the west coast shouldn't be asked to 
> >> adjust their lives for those of us on the east coast either.  If 
> >> Terrence wants to teach a class at 7:00 PM Alaskan time, 
> then those 
> >> of us on eastern time have the option of changing our 
> schedules and 
> >> staying up late to attend, or not attending the class.  If 
> I want to 
> >> take a class at my local art studio, or college,  I don't tell the
> >> instructor he/she must change the class time because I don't
> >> have a ride at that particular time slot, I either find a
> >> ride, or don't take the class.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> That being said, I do know that when scheduling classes, 
> schools do 
> >> try and schedule when they think students will be able to attend 
> >> their classes.  So, if an instructor wants to try 
> scheduling a class 
> >> during the week, mid-day, to see if it is something people 
> would like 
> >> to attend, there is nothing
> >> wrong with that either.   Schools do schedule when they know
> >> that there is
> >> the best chance they will be able to attract students.
> >>
> >> Finally, I personally would like to thank all of the 
> instructors whom 
> >> I have taken classes from over the past 6 months.  You all 
> have made 
> >> my life much happier, giving me the confidence to add 
> crafting back 
> >> into my life.  I love that my hands are always busy again. 
>  Thank you 
> >> ladies and gentlemen for this wonderful gift!
> >>
> >>
> >>  Dixie
> >> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf 
> Of AUDREY 
> >> WELLNER
> >> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 5:07 AM
> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >>
> >> Eileen,
> >>    I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning 
> >> the time constraints for classes and I agree with you 
> whole heartily.
> >>    I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10
> >> membership for unlimited classes for a whole year where you
> >> can sit home in your PJ's, put your finger in the dial and
> >> call in an get instructions from a teacher who understands
> >> your special challenges in crafting, they also spend hours
> >> making sure their instructions are clearly understood, give
> >> you a back up MP3 copy of the class and sometimes also makes
> >> time for additional questions and then she shouldn't have the
> >> choice of determining when it's convenient for her to conduct
> >> the class!  The excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
> >>    No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it
> >> was inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through
> >> snow laden streets to get to class on the time it was
> >> scheduled. Never in mind of sitting home and dialing in or
> >> whether I had to pick up my child, cook my dinner (many
> >> nights of which I went without between work and night
> >> classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were
> >> art or leisure classes. I would have never thought of asking
> >> my teacher to meet my schedule, especially if they were doing
> >> it on a volunteer basis.
> >>    When I worked in administration and had to prepare a
> >> schedule for night school classes, we prepared our community
> >> night school calendars six months in advance for classes.
> >> The time slots were filled and both teachers and students had
> >> to prepare for the particular time that was set aside. Here
> >> Joyce is working with a calendar and times where she is
> >> trying to accommodate everyone's schedule across at least a 3
> >> to 6 hour time difference, not just one time zone and trying
> >> to find a time convenient for most people. As Terry K put it,
> >> "the hard decisions have to come from leadership."
> >>
> >>  I have been following all the interesting comments about time for 
> >> lessons, and really do not know how you can please 
> everyone, the hard 
> >> decisions have to come from leadership. I can do about every time 
> >> frame, days are difficult as now new year training like Freedom 
> >> Science if, computer training. However, if I want to learn a new 
> >> idea, I arrange and plan for it. Terry K
> >>
> >>   It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel 
> >> sorry for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and 
> >> overseas. I'm sure as we go forward Joyce and the board 
> will try to 
> >> make some additional arrangements. But please try to 
> understand and 
> >> be considerate of our volunteer, unpaid teachers and not 
> just request 
> >> their recordings without making an effort to give them the 
> courtesy 
> >> of attending their classes. Your individual question can not be 
> >> properly addressed by a recording.
> >>
> >> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
> >> Krafters Korner, division
> >>
> >>
> >> My goodness......me, me, me
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and 
> times but 
> >> there are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever 
> >> reason.  That is an individual's choice as to how they spend their 
> >> time and work out issues in life.  I have a life, family 
> and husband 
> >> to along with houshold duties & responsibilities that need 
> tending to 
> >> just as others do. When a class is offered I can either 
> make the time 
> >> and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge 
> amount of time) 
> >> or I can choose to not take the class.  I would not make
> >> everyone else alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
> >>
> >> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is 
> that I don't 
> >> want to teach to a recording or allow the class materials 
> I've put a 
> >> lot of time & effort into preparing as well as my own 
> expertese on a 
> >> topic to just be handed out to people who haven't made the 
> effort to 
> >> attend and participate with the rest of the people in a class.
> >>
> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >>
> >> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what
> >> works for
> >> > an
> >> instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
> >> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
> >> classes it
> >> > is
> >> dinner hour and I have a family to think of and homework 
> with young 
> >> kids so should I not be allowed to benefit because of 
> >> responsibilities like this?
> >> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings
> >> later or if
> >> > two
> >> times were available that would be helpful.
> >> > Lovette
> >> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
> >> >> Terry:
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement.  It is 
> impossible to meet
> >> everyone's needs.  Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my 
> >> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or 
> instructor to go 
> >> through changes to make it just so for me. When you want 
> to learn or 
> >> do something its up to the individual to make it happen for 
> >> themselves.
> >> >>
> >> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or 
> >> >> Sundays
> >> either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make 
> a 1 or 2 
> >> hour opening for a weekend.  That says to me they did not 
> want to do 
> >> it all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in 
> their lives 
> >> including the people teaching so let's be reasonable about 
> the time 
> >> slots.
> >> >>
> >> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out
> >> recordings to people
> >> >> who
> >> will not take the time to participate with the group or 
> phone chats 
> >> or phone classes.  Just giving out the recordings without 
> attendance 
> >> will ruin the workings of how classes work.  We all learn 
> from others 
> >> questions and input during the classes. Attendance is what 
> makes the 
> >> group and classes
> >> enjoyable.   I don't want to sit and lecture at a recording
> >> machine with no living being on the other end.
> >> >>
> >> >> Eileen
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> --------------------------------------------------
> >> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
> >> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
> >> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
> >> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> >> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
> >> >>
> >> >>> Hello all,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments 
> about time for
> >> lessons,
> >> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard 
> >> >>> decisions
> >> have
> >> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time 
> frame, days are
> >> difficult
> >> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if,
> >> computer training.
> >> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for 
> >> >>> it.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was 
> done before. 
> >> >>> Terry P,
> >> do
> >> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Terry K
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
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