[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Wed Jan 5 19:32:01 UTC 2011

I also want to remind everyone that we also can gain so much just by e-mail or personal phone calls when we need help on a project or issue.  I have numerous times written someone off line to ask for help.  Just like my last post asking for help on the sock class questions.  The actual classes are only a part of Krafter's Korner.  

I see no reason that if someone was really interested in a particular class that I was teaching and they were not able to attend the night I was teaching it to write to me off list and say, "Hey Cindy, I love the idea of your blah blah blah class.  I am not available that evening.  Could you .... Make a suggestion or at least let us know you are interested because it might be able to be taught another time down the road.

Cindy Z. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lovette Yewchan
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:17 PM
To: List for blind crafters and artists
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Thanks. You give hope to me. I was ready to quit completely because if 
it is classes always at dinner hour I cannot do that. Ocasionally yes 
but not completely and so much sounded so good.
	I don't like stirring pots you know. *smile* So I probably took the 
heat too personal.  I understand instructors views but also think 
sometimes accomodations could be made. If I felt I could teach I would 
but I'm somewhat new and also hoped this group would be helpful in my 
learning.
Thanks again Susan for your words. Lovette

On 1/5/2011 4:00 AM, Susan Roe wrote:
> Lovette,
>
> Don't worry about stirring the pot, you were asked a question and you
> gave your answer, no more, no less. You are a part of the group and I
> don't think there is anyone here who would want you to not ask questions
> or give an opinion just because it could possibly stir the caldren.
>
> I look forward to working with you in the future.
>
> Susan
> (804) 781-0327
> dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
>
>> Well I did not mean to make everyone so upset just stated my struggles.
>> I won't say anymore and won't commit to anything unless I can be there.
>> I just thought with everyone being so spread out with time differences
>> this could be a consideration. I understand though and this will be my
>> last post on the subject.
>> Sorry I said anything at all.
>> Lovette
>> At 02:07 AM 1/4/2011, you wrote:
>>> Eileen,
>>> I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the
>>> time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>>> I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for
>>> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your
>>> PJ's, put your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions
>>> from a teacher who understands your special challenges in crafting,
>>> they also spend hours making sure their instructions are clearly
>>> understood, give you a back up MP3 copy of the class and sometimes
>>> also makes time for additional questions and then she shouldn't have
>>> the choice of determining when it's convenient for her to conduct the
>>> class! The excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
>>> No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was
>>> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden
>>> streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind
>>> of sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child,
>>> cook my dinner (many nights of which I went without between work and
>>> night classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were art
>>> or leisure classes. I would have never thought of asking my teacher
>>> to meet my schedule, especially if they were doing it on a volunteer
>>> basis.
>>> When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for
>>> night school classes, we prepared our community night school
>>> calendars six months in advance for classes. The time slots were
>>> filled and both teachers and students had to prepare for the
>>> particular time that was set aside. Here Joyce is working with a
>>> calendar and times where she is trying to accommodate everyone's
>>> schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time difference, not just one
>>> time zone and trying to find a time convenient for most people. As
>>> Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from leadership."
>>>
>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
>>> lessons,
>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>>> decisions have
>>> to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are
>>> difficult
>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>> Terry K
>>>
>>> It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry
>>> for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm
>>> sure as we go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some
>>> additional arrangements. But please try to understand and be
>>> considerate of our volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request
>>> their recordings without making an effort to give them the courtesy
>>> of attending their classes. Your individual question can not be
>>> properly addressed by a recording.
>>>
>>> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>>> Krafters Korner, division
>>>
>>>
>>> My goodness......me, me, me
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but
>>> there are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever
>>> reason. That is an individual's choice as to how they spend their
>>> time and work out issues in life. I have a life, family and husband
>>> to along with houshold duties & responsibilities that need tending to
>>> just as others do. When a class is offered I can either make the time
>>> and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge amount of time)
>>> or I can choose to not take the class. I would not make everyone else
>>> alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>>>
>>> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't
>>> want to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a
>>> lot of time & effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a
>>> topic to just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to
>>> attend and participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>>>
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>
>>> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works
>>> for an instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>>> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
>>> classes it is dinner hour and I have a family to think of and
>>> homework with young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit
>>> because of responsibilities like this?
>>> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later
>>> or if two times were available that would be helpful.
>>> > Lovette
>>> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>> >> Terry:
>>> >>
>>> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement. It is impossible to
>>> meet everyone's needs. Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my
>>> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go
>>> through changes to make it just so for me. When you want to learn or
>>> do something its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>>> >>
>>> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or
>>> Sundays either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a
>>> 1 or 2 hour opening for a weekend. That says to me they did not want
>>> to do it all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their
>>> lives including the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the
>>> time slots.
>>> >>
>>> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to
>>> people who will not take the time to participate with the group or
>>> phone chats or phone classes. Just giving out the recordings without
>>> attendance will ruin the workings of how classes work. We all learn
>>> from others questions and input during the classes. Attendance is
>>> what makes the group and classes enjoyable. I don't want to sit and
>>> lecture at a recording machine with no living being on the other end.
>>> >>
>>> >> Eileen
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" >>
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hello all,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time
>>> for lessons,
>>> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>>> decisions have
>>> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days
>>> are difficult
>>> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before.
>>> Terry P, do
>>> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Terry K
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
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