[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

Thu Jan 6 10:48:47 UTC 2011

Exactly, Cindy.

Susan
dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zimmer, Cindy" <cindy.zimmer at nebraska.gov>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 12:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes

>I also want to remind everyone that we also can gain so much just by e-mail 
>or personal phone calls when we need help on a project or issue.  I have 
>numerous times written someone off line to ask for help.  Just like my last 
>post asking for help on the sock class questions.  The actual classes are 
>only a part of Krafter's Korner.
>
> I see no reason that if someone was really interested in a particular 
> class that I was teaching and they were not able to attend the night I was 
> teaching it to write to me off list and say, "Hey Cindy, I love the idea 
> of your blah blah blah class.  I am not available that evening.  Could you 
> .... Make a suggestion or at least let us know you are interested because 
> it might be able to be taught another time down the road.
>
> Cindy Z.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org 
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lovette 
> Yewchan
> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:17 PM
> To: List for blind crafters and artists
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>
>
>
> Thanks. You give hope to me. I was ready to quit completely because if
> it is classes always at dinner hour I cannot do that. Ocasionally yes
> but not completely and so much sounded so good.
> I don't like stirring pots you know. *smile* So I probably took the
> heat too personal.  I understand instructors views but also think
> sometimes accomodations could be made. If I felt I could teach I would
> but I'm somewhat new and also hoped this group would be helpful in my
> learning.
> Thanks again Susan for your words. Lovette
>
>
> On 1/5/2011 4:00 AM, Susan Roe wrote:
>> Lovette,
>>
>> Don't worry about stirring the pot, you were asked a question and you
>> gave your answer, no more, no less. You are a part of the group and I
>> don't think there is anyone here who would want you to not ask questions
>> or give an opinion just because it could possibly stir the caldren.
>>
>> I look forward to working with you in the future.
>>
>> Susan
>> (804) 781-0327
>> dogwoodfarm at verizon.net
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 10:32 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>
>>
>>> Well I did not mean to make everyone so upset just stated my struggles.
>>> I won't say anymore and won't commit to anything unless I can be there.
>>> I just thought with everyone being so spread out with time differences
>>> this could be a consideration. I understand though and this will be my
>>> last post on the subject.
>>> Sorry I said anything at all.
>>> Lovette
>>> At 02:07 AM 1/4/2011, you wrote:
>>>> Eileen,
>>>> I also have been reading the comments on this thread concerning the
>>>> time constraints for classes and I agree with you whole heartily.
>>>> I'm sorry, but as members of this group you pay a $10 membership for
>>>> unlimited classes for a whole year where you can sit home in your
>>>> PJ's, put your finger in the dial and call in an get instructions
>>>> from a teacher who understands your special challenges in crafting,
>>>> they also spend hours making sure their instructions are clearly
>>>> understood, give you a back up MP3 copy of the class and sometimes
>>>> also makes time for additional questions and then she shouldn't have
>>>> the choice of determining when it's convenient for her to conduct the
>>>> class! The excuses and reasons are a little unclear here.
>>>> No teacher I ever had in school, ever worried whether it was
>>>> inconvenient for me to almost kill myself driving through snow laden
>>>> streets to get to class on the time it was scheduled. Never in mind
>>>> of sitting home and dialing in or whether I had to pick up my child,
>>>> cook my dinner (many nights of which I went without between work and
>>>> night classes) to make sure I made it on time, even if they were art
>>>> or leisure classes. I would have never thought of asking my teacher
>>>> to meet my schedule, especially if they were doing it on a volunteer
>>>> basis.
>>>> When I worked in administration and had to prepare a schedule for
>>>> night school classes, we prepared our community night school
>>>> calendars six months in advance for classes. The time slots were
>>>> filled and both teachers and students had to prepare for the
>>>> particular time that was set aside. Here Joyce is working with a
>>>> calendar and times where she is trying to accommodate everyone's
>>>> schedule across at least a 3 to 6 hour time difference, not just one
>>>> time zone and trying to find a time convenient for most people. As
>>>> Terry K put it, "the hard decisions have to come from leadership."
>>>>
>>>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time for
>>>> lessons,
>>>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>>>> decisions have
>>>> to come from leadership. I can do about every time frame, days are
>>>> difficult
>>>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer training.
>>>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>>> Terry K
>>>>
>>>> It has been interesting to hear the comments and I really feel sorry
>>>> for those who are in the far reaches of our nation and overseas. I'm
>>>> sure as we go forward Joyce and the board will try to make some
>>>> additional arrangements. But please try to understand and be
>>>> considerate of our volunteer, unpaid teachers and not just request
>>>> their recordings without making an effort to give them the courtesy
>>>> of attending their classes. Your individual question can not be
>>>> properly addressed by a recording.
>>>>
>>>> Audrey Wellner, Secretary
>>>> Krafters Korner, division
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My goodness......me, me, me
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- On Mon, 1/3/11, Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: Eileen Scrivani <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Date: Monday, January 3, 2011, 4:38 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My point is that I know I have offered alternate days and times but
>>>> there are people that claim they just can't do it for whatever
>>>> reason. That is an individual's choice as to how they spend their
>>>> time and work out issues in life. I have a life, family and husband
>>>> to along with houshold duties & responsibilities that need tending to
>>>> just as others do. When a class is offered I can either make the time
>>>> and clear my schedule for 1 or two hours (not a huge amount of time)
>>>> or I can choose to not take the class. I would not make everyone else
>>>> alter classes to accomodate my individual issues.
>>>>
>>>> As an instructor, my personal feeling on the matter is that I don't
>>>> want to teach to a recording or allow the class materials I've put a
>>>> lot of time & effort into preparing as well as my own expertese on a
>>>> topic to just be handed out to people who haven't made the effort to
>>>> attend and participate with the rest of the people in a class.
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: "Lovette Yewchan" <lyewchan at telus.net>
>>>> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 4:18 PM
>>>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists"
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>>
>>>> > I agree that sometimes you need to be able to work out what works
>>>> for an instructor but it depends on why you cannot make a class.
>>>> > For me 5 my time is hard because as much as I want to take
>>>> classes it is dinner hour and I have a family to think of and
>>>> homework with young kids so should I not be allowed to benefit
>>>> because of responsibilities like this?
>>>> > I think if a person could check in and get the recordings later
>>>> or if two times were available that would be helpful.
>>>> > Lovette
>>>> > At 12:57 PM 1/3/2011, you wrote:
>>>> >> Terry:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Yes, thank you I am in total agreement. It is impossible to
>>>> meet everyone's needs. Anytime I have taken classes I arranged my
>>>> schedule acordingly and did not expect the school or instructor to go
>>>> through changes to make it just so for me. When you want to learn or
>>>> do something its up to the individual to make it happen for themselves.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In the past I offered doing classes on either Saturday's or
>>>> Sundays either afternoon or evening but no one was willing to make a
>>>> 1 or 2 hour opening for a weekend. That says to me they did not want
>>>> to do it all that badly. Everyone has other things going on in their
>>>> lives including the people teaching so let's be reasonable about the
>>>> time slots.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Personally, I very strongly object to giving out recordings to
>>>> people who will not take the time to participate with the group or
>>>> phone chats or phone classes. Just giving out the recordings without
>>>> attendance will ruin the workings of how classes work. We all learn
>>>> from others questions and input during the classes. Attendance is
>>>> what makes the group and classes enjoyable. I don't want to sit and
>>>> lecture at a recording machine with no living being on the other end.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Eileen
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> >> From: "Terry Knox" <tknox6 at sc.rr.com>
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 2:30 PM
>>>> >> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" >>
>>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes
>>>> >>
>>>> >>> Hello all,
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I have been following all the interesting comments about time
>>>> for lessons,
>>>> >>> and really do not know how you can please everyone, the hard
>>>> decisions have
>>>> >>> to come from leadship. I can do about every time frame, days
>>>> are difficult
>>>> >>> as now new year training like Freedom Science if, computer 
>>>> >>> training.
>>>> >>> However, if I want to learn a new idea, I arrange and plan for it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I would like a plastic canvas class, I know it was done before.
>>>> Terry P, do
>>>> >>> you sell kits? I would like tissue box.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Terry K
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>
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