[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Fri Jan 7 17:20:22 UTC 2011

Lynda:

God Bless You & thank you for your expertese on this issue.

Eileen

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From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:10 PM
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

> My background is in teaching on the college/university level. I can tell 
> you for sure that none of my lectures or any handouts I made for my 
> students can be given out by the college that has paid me to develop this 
> intellectual material. It is mine alone. No other person or authority has 
> any rights to use it in any way regardless of how much money we earn for 
> our teaching.
>
> The same should hold ture for anyone who has voluntarily taught classes.
>
> My lectures were voice recorded, and video recorded, by my permission, and 
> were available to students who had missed a class. But, I never had to do 
> that, was not required to do it. It was my choice. And, certainly my 
> materials were not available to anyone in any form without my permission. 
> I would never have given any of my materials to anyone who had not taken 
> my class, under any circumstances.
>
> Eileen has every right to decide who gets her information and it cannot be 
> done without her permission, legally.
>
> Never at any time in my teaching career did anyone else decide when my 
> classes were offered. It was solely my choice and I did it to suit my own 
> schedule.  Just wanted to clarify my own experience and I taught at three 
> different kinds of institutions: community college; private college; and 
> large state university.  At none of them did anyone but me decide my 
> schedule nor use my materials without my concent and permission.  It is 
> just not done!
>
> Lynd River Woman
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:05 AM
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
>
>> Cindy:
>>
>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not a board's 
>> decision to make.  It will be determined through the copyright, and 
>> ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the control of the 
>> board of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, in the way this 
>> episode has been handled by a so called "creative/artistic" group that is 
>> supposed to support the blind craftsperson & artist, you are ripping off 
>> the blind individual and stealing materials that do not belong to the 
>> division, but that have been developed and presented by a blind 
>> individual.
>>
>> Eileen
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>> Eileen,
>>>
>>> I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to 
>>> assure
>>> you that your questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. As 
>>> you
>>> stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that 
>>> decision
>>> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not meet daily or
>>> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>>>
>>> You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>>>
>>> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the instructors, you 
>>> are
>>> only one instructor and we want to know why the other instructors or
>>> potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it doesn't
>>> matter what time students would like classes if there are no instructors
>>> available to teach them at alternate times.
>>>
>>> This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership and create a
>>> list of times that we might be able to fill in the future. No one on the
>>> board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor to find a way to 
>>> fill
>>> all of these times. You have been a great instructor and provided a 
>>> valuable
>>> resource to this division. There have been many students that have 
>>> benefited
>>> from your classes.
>>>
>>> Cindy S.
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>> Eileen Scrivani
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Joyce:
>>>>
>>>> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>>>> an instructor
>>>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class recordings,
>>>> but my messages
>>>> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>
>>>> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>>>> > emails.
>>>> >
>>>> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>>>> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>>>> Division I
>>>> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>>>> >
>>>> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>>> but around
>>>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>>>> Krafters Korner
>>>> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and teach each
>>>> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>>>> >
>>>> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>>>> classes at
>>>> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>>>> doing these
>>>> > classes, recording them and having students interact live with the
>>>> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>>> do this at
>>>> > different times to
>>>> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>>>> friends in
>>>> > India,
>>>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>>>> would love to
>>>> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>>> each one of
>>>> > you to
>>>> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>>>> Korner and if one
>>>> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>>> you to please
>>>> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>>> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>>> >
>>>> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>>>> being made
>>>> > from
>>>> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>>>> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>>> different time zones
>>>> > and maybe
>>>> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>>>> classes.  I need
>>>> > to
>>>> > hear  from the teachers.
>>>> >
>>>> > The question has been brought up why and who picked classes to be
>>>> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>>> first started
>>>> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the East coast
>>>> > and Central time
>>>> > zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it was a
>>>> beading class.   I
>>>> > had
>>>> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>>>> week would
>>>> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>>>> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening during
>>>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>>>> > during the week.  When classes
>>>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at a
>>>> class.   That did
>>>> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>>> the  attendence
>>>> > of a
>>>> > class.
>>>> >
>>>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>>>> develop this
>>>> > further.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Joyce  Kane
>>>> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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