[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Fri Jan 7 20:42:36 UTC 2011

I think the claim to ownership of any materials and selling them without 
permission was blown way out of proportion. There was merely a suggestion 
that we make the recorded classes available for sale to those who do not are 
unable to attend the classes with the funds going to the teachers. this was 
also discussed in line with the possibility of charging students a small fee 
for the classes be they attended or recorded. We wouldn't just do it without 
permission from the teacher adn the organization would provide the support 
in their preparation and distribution.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times


> Lynda:
>
> God Bless You & thank you for your expertese on this issue.
>
> Eileen
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "River Woman" <riverwoman at zoominternet.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:10 PM
> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
>> My background is in teaching on the college/university level. I can tell 
>> you for sure that none of my lectures or any handouts I made for my 
>> students can be given out by the college that has paid me to develop this 
>> intellectual material. It is mine alone. No other person or authority has 
>> any rights to use it in any way regardless of how much money we earn for 
>> our teaching.
>>
>> The same should hold ture for anyone who has voluntarily taught classes.
>>
>> My lectures were voice recorded, and video recorded, by my permission, 
>> and were available to students who had missed a class. But, I never had 
>> to do that, was not required to do it. It was my choice. And, certainly 
>> my materials were not available to anyone in any form without my 
>> permission. I would never have given any of my materials to anyone who 
>> had not taken my class, under any circumstances.
>>
>> Eileen has every right to decide who gets her information and it cannot 
>> be done without her permission, legally.
>>
>> Never at any time in my teaching career did anyone else decide when my 
>> classes were offered. It was solely my choice and I did it to suit my own 
>> schedule.  Just wanted to clarify my own experience and I taught at three 
>> different kinds of institutions: community college; private college; and 
>> large state university.  At none of them did anyone but me decide my 
>> schedule nor use my materials without my concent and permission.  It is 
>> just not done!
>>
>> Lynd River Woman
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
>> To: "List for blind crafters and artists" 
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:05 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>
>>> Cindy:
>>>
>>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not a board's 
>>> decision to make.  It will be determined through the copyright, and 
>>> ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the control of the 
>>> board of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, in the way this 
>>> episode has been handled by a so called "creative/artistic" group that 
>>> is supposed to support the blind craftsperson & artist, you are ripping 
>>> off the blind individual and stealing materials that do not belong to 
>>> the division, but that have been developed and presented by a blind 
>>> individual.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>>> Eileen,
>>>>
>>>> I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to 
>>>> assure
>>>> you that your questions and complaints have not fallen on deaf ears. As 
>>>> you
>>>> stated, the leadership needs to make the final decision. Until that 
>>>> decision
>>>> is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not meet daily or
>>>> weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>>>>
>>>> You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>>>>
>>>> As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the instructors, you 
>>>> are
>>>> only one instructor and we want to know why the other instructors or
>>>> potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it doesn't
>>>> matter what time students would like classes if there are no 
>>>> instructors
>>>> available to teach them at alternate times.
>>>>
>>>> This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership and create 
>>>> a
>>>> list of times that we might be able to fill in the future. No one on 
>>>> the
>>>> board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor to find a way to 
>>>> fill
>>>> all of these times. You have been a great instructor and provided a 
>>>> valuable
>>>> resource to this division. There have been many students that have 
>>>> benefited
>>>> from your classes.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy S.
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>>>> Eileen Scrivani
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>>>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Joyce:
>>>>>
>>>>> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am
>>>>> an instructor
>>>>> who has posted thoughts on the subject of class recordings,
>>>>> but my messages
>>>>> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>>>> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>>>>> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>>>
>>>>> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can reply to the
>>>>> > emails.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>>>>> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>>>>> Division I
>>>>> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>>>> but around
>>>>> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>>>>> Krafters Korner
>>>>> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and teach each
>>>>> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>>>>> classes at
>>>>> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>>>>> doing these
>>>>> > classes, recording them and having students interact live with the
>>>>> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>>>> do this at
>>>>> > different times to
>>>>> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>>>>> friends in
>>>>> > India,
>>>>> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>>>>> would love to
>>>>> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>>>> each one of
>>>>> > you to
>>>>> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>>>>> Korner and if one
>>>>> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>>>> you to please
>>>>> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>>>> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>>>> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>>>>> being made
>>>>> > from
>>>>> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to hear from the
>>>>> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>>>> different time zones
>>>>> > and maybe
>>>>> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>>>>> classes.  I need
>>>>> > to
>>>>> > hear  from the teachers.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > The question has been brought up why and who picked classes to be
>>>>> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>>>> first started
>>>>> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the East coast
>>>>> > and Central time
>>>>> > zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it was a
>>>>> beading class.   I
>>>>> > had
>>>>> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>>>>> week would
>>>>> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try classes on the
>>>>> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the evening during
>>>>> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>>>>> > during the week.  When classes
>>>>> > began we would maybe have 3or 4 and maybe 5 people at a
>>>>> class.   That did
>>>>> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>>>> the  attendence
>>>>> > of a
>>>>> > class.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>>>>> develop this
>>>>> > further.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Joyce  Kane
>>>>> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
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