[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Fri Jan 7 21:09:22 UTC 2011

Dixie:

I just finished a phone talk with Joyce and the resolution of that phone 
chat is that I will no longer be teaching for the KK division of the nfb. 
It appears that the wording of "the instructors own their class recordings" 
could not be said in a strong and clear voice.  It now further appears that 
for the NFB to archive past recordings is an additional issue and it would 
appear they are telling me that the archival of past years classes gives 
them some kind of claim to those materials and that they no longer want the 
responsibility on their shoulders as it was explained to me.  When asked if 
I could record and archive my own recordings and email them out I said, 
"yes, I can." Well then it was brought to my attention that there are 
instructors that cannot do this so the option Joyce wants to go with is to 
stop the recordings of all classes.  This in my mind is a very bad decision, 
unfair to both instructors & students alike.
Guess the leadership wants to punish everyone because they can't have things 
just their way! Seems some people just want it the way they want it 
regardless if laws of copyright & ownership get violated or not.  I'm very 
discouraged that the right and lawful thing could not be stated out loud or 
in writing for all on the list to read and hear.

When the topic of having a few open board meetings was brought up, pretty 
much they are only done once a year, and if more often than that it is at 
the president's discression -- more responsibility placed on one person's 
shoulders.

Well, I am still a paid-up dues member up through July so maybe I can still 
take classes with some of you.

I'll miss all you folks who I have been in different classes with and want 
you all to know that I have totally enjoyed working with all of you.  Happy 
crafting, and be careful who you teach for in the future!
Stay in touch we can still email off list.  Be well.

Eileen
Again, I do not under any circumstances give the NFB KK Division rights to 
or the ownership of nor the rights to sell as fund raising materials 
recordings I did of my classes -- they are my property,.

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From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:12 PM
To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

> So, am I correct in understanding that then this means that the classes
> taught by our teachers that have been recorded will not be distributed or
> sold elsewhere ?  Correct?
>
>
>
>
> Dixie
> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of slery
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:48 PM
> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
> Recordings are only disbursed to students attending the class. This has 
> been
> discussed many times on the list when people say that they can't attend a
> particular class.
>
> Cindy S.
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:38 AM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>>
>> I agree with that.  I also believe that if you are recording
>> people and then disbursing those recordings.  There needs to
>> be an agreement from the persons who have been recorded as to
>> where the recordings are disbursed.  I believe that is
>> covered under a Federal law.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dixie
>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Eileen Scrivani
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:06 AM
>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> Cindy:
>>
>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not
>> a board's
>> decision to make.  It will be determined through the copyright, and
>> ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the
>> control of the board
>> of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, in the way
>> this episode has
>>
>> been handled by a so called "creative/artistic" group that is
>> supposed to
>> support the blind craftsperson & artist, you are ripping off
>> the blind
>> individual and stealing materials that do not belong to the
>> division, but
>> that have been developed and presented by a blind individual.
>>
>> Eileen
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> > Eileen,
>> >
>> > I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to
>> > assure you that your questions and complaints have not
>> fallen on deaf
>> > ears. As you stated, the leadership needs to make the final
>> decision.
>> > Until that decision
>> > is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not
>> meet daily or
>> > weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>> >
>> > You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>> >
>> > As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the
>> instructors, you
>> > are only one instructor and we want to know why the other
>> instructors
>> > or potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it
>> > doesn't matter what time students would like classes if
>> there are no
>> > instructors available to teach them at alternate times.
>> >
>> > This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership
>> and create
>> > a list of times that we might be able to fill in the
>> future. No one on
>> > the board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor
>> to find a
>> > way to fill all of these times. You have been a great
>> instructor and
>> > provided a valuable
>> > resource to this division. There have been many students that have
>> > benefited
>> > from your classes.
>> >
>> > Cindy S.
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>> Of Eileen
>> >> Scrivani
>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Joyce:
>> >>
>> >> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am an
>> >> instructor who has posted thoughts on the subject of class
>> >> recordings, but my messages
>> >> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>> >>
>> >> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can
>> reply to the
>> >> > emails.
>> >> >
>> >> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>> >> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>> >> Division I
>> >> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>> >> >
>> >> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>> >> but around
>> >> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>> >> Krafters Korner
>> >> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and
>> teach each
>> >> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>> >> >
>> >> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>> >> classes at
>> >> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>> >> doing these
>> >> > classes, recording them and having students interact
>> live with the
>> >> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>> >> do this at
>> >> > different times to
>> >> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>> >> friends in
>> >> > India,
>> >> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>> >> would love to
>> >> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>> >> each one of
>> >> > you to
>> >> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>> >> Korner and if one
>> >> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>> >> you to please
>> >> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>> >> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>> >> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>> >> >
>> >> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>> >> being made
>> >> > from
>> >> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to
>> hear from the
>> >> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>> >> different time zones
>> >> > and maybe
>> >> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>> >> classes.  I need
>> >> > to
>> >> > hear  from the teachers.
>> >> >
>> >> > The question has been brought up why and who picked
>> classes to be
>> >> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>> >> first started
>> >> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the
>> East coast
>> >> > and Central time zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it
>> >> > was a
>> >> beading class.   I
>> >> > had
>> >> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>> >> week would
>> >> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try
>> classes on the
>> >> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the
>> evening during
>> >> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>> >> > during the week.  When classes began we would maybe have
>> 3or 4 and
>> >> > maybe 5 people at a
>> >> class.   That did
>> >> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>> >> the  attendence
>> >> > of a
>> >> > class.
>> >> >
>> >> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>> >> develop this
>> >> > further.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Joyce  Kane
>> >> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>> >> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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