[Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times

Fri Jan 7 21:45:37 UTC 2011

I am not at all happy to read this, Eileen.  Not a bit. I really enjoyed the 
class I took with you on the Magic Loop and I had really looked forward to 
doing more and learning more with you.  :(
Lynda River Woman
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Eileen Scrivani" <etscrivani at verizon.net>
To: "List for blind crafters and artists" <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 4:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times


> Dixie:
>
> I just finished a phone talk with Joyce and the resolution of that phone 
> chat is that I will no longer be teaching for the KK division of the nfb. 
> It appears that the wording of "the instructors own their class 
> recordings" could not be said in a strong and clear voice.  It now further 
> appears that for the NFB to archive past recordings is an additional issue 
> and it would appear they are telling me that the archival of past years 
> classes gives them some kind of claim to those materials and that they no 
> longer want the responsibility on their shoulders as it was explained to 
> me.  When asked if I could record and archive my own recordings and email 
> them out I said, "yes, I can." Well then it was brought to my attention 
> that there are instructors that cannot do this so the option Joyce wants 
> to go with is to stop the recordings of all classes.  This in my mind is a 
> very bad decision, unfair to both instructors & students alike.
> Guess the leadership wants to punish everyone because they can't have 
> things just their way! Seems some people just want it the way they want it 
> regardless if laws of copyright & ownership get violated or not.  I'm very 
> discouraged that the right and lawful thing could not be stated out loud 
> or in writing for all on the list to read and hear.
>
> When the topic of having a few open board meetings was brought up, pretty 
> much they are only done once a year, and if more often than that it is at 
> the president's discression -- more responsibility placed on one person's 
> shoulders.
>
> Well, I am still a paid-up dues member up through July so maybe I can 
> still take classes with some of you.
>
> I'll miss all you folks who I have been in different classes with and want 
> you all to know that I have totally enjoyed working with all of you. 
> Happy crafting, and be careful who you teach for in the future!
> Stay in touch we can still email off list.  Be well.
>
> Eileen
> Again, I do not under any circumstances give the NFB KK Division rights to 
> or the ownership of nor the rights to sell as fund raising materials 
> recordings I did of my classes -- they are my property,.
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "Dixie" <blueherons at sbcglobal.net>
> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 1:12 PM
> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'" 
> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>
>> So, am I correct in understanding that then this means that the classes
>> taught by our teachers that have been recorded will not be distributed or
>> sold elsewhere ?  Correct?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie
>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of slery
>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 12:48 PM
>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>
>> Recordings are only disbursed to students attending the class. This has 
>> been
>> discussed many times on the list when people say that they can't attend a
>> particular class.
>>
>> Cindy S.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Dixie
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:38 AM
>>> To: 'List for blind crafters and artists'
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>>
>>> I agree with that.  I also believe that if you are recording
>>> people and then disbursing those recordings.  There needs to
>>> be an agreement from the persons who have been recorded as to
>>> where the recordings are disbursed.  I believe that is
>>> covered under a Federal law.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  Dixie
>>> ~  @-> ~ <-@  ~
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Eileen Scrivani
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 10:06 AM
>>> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>> Cindy:
>>>
>>> Regarding the ownership of the recorded materials that is not
>>> a board's
>>> decision to make.  It will be determined through the copyright, and
>>> ownership laws of the U.S.  It is much larger than the
>>> control of the board
>>> of this division.  And as a blind crafts person, in the way
>>> this episode has
>>>
>>> been handled by a so called "creative/artistic" group that is
>>> supposed to
>>> support the blind craftsperson & artist, you are ripping off
>>> the blind
>>> individual and stealing materials that do not belong to the
>>> division, but
>>> that have been developed and presented by a blind individual.
>>>
>>> Eileen
>>> --------------------------------------------------
>>> From: "slery" <slerythema at insightbb.com>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 07, 2011 3:35 AM
>>> To: "'List for blind crafters and artists'"
>>> <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>>
>>> > Eileen,
>>> >
>>> > I am NOT speaking for the board in this message. However, I want to
>>> > assure you that your questions and complaints have not
>>> fallen on deaf
>>> > ears. As you stated, the leadership needs to make the final
>>> decision.
>>> > Until that decision
>>> > is made, you cannot receive an answer. The board does not
>>> meet daily or
>>> > weekly, so a decision cannot be made within a single day.
>>> >
>>> > You will be contacted when things are finalized.
>>> >
>>> > As to Joyce's comment about wanting to hear from the
>>> instructors, you
>>> > are only one instructor and we want to know why the other
>>> instructors
>>> > or potential instructors are not joining the discussion because it
>>> > doesn't matter what time students would like classes if
>>> there are no
>>> > instructors available to teach them at alternate times.
>>> >
>>> > This topic was started as a way to hear from the membership
>>> and create
>>> > a list of times that we might be able to fill in the
>>> future. No one on
>>> > the board or in the division expects you as ONE instructor
>>> to find a
>>> > way to fill all of these times. You have been a great
>>> instructor and
>>> > provided a valuable
>>> > resource to this division. There have been many students that have
>>> > benefited
>>> > from your classes.
>>> >
>>> > Cindy S.
>>> >
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>> >> [mailto:nfb-krafters-korner-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
>>> Of Eileen
>>> >> Scrivani
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:43 PM
>>> >> To: List for blind crafters and artists
>>> >> Subject: Re: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Joyce:
>>> >>
>>> >> besides seneding you three private emails on this topic, I am an
>>> >> instructor who has posted thoughts on the subject of class
>>> >> recordings, but my messages
>>> >> to the divison leadeership has fallen on deaf ears.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> --------------------------------------------------
>>> >> From: <Blindhands at aol.com>
>>> >> Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 4:04 PM
>>> >> To: <nfb-krafters-korner at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> Subject: [Nfb-krafters-korner] classes and times
>>> >>
>>> >> > I am back online with JAWS working 100% so now I can
>>> reply to the
>>> >> > emails.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > After listening to all the email regarding classes and after
>>> >> > discussing this with the board members of the NFB Krafters
>>> >> Division I
>>> >> > would like others to  know our thoughts.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > We defintely have grown and spread not only within the USA,
>>> >> but around
>>> >> > the globe.  We want to continue our growth and bring
>>> >> Krafters Korner
>>> >> > every where there is a need for  us to learn, share and
>>> teach each
>>> >> > other the crafting skills of this group.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > With all that has been said it has proven that we need more
>>> >> classes at
>>> >> > different times.  After saying that we have the ability of
>>> >> doing these
>>> >> > classes, recording them and having students interact
>>> live with the
>>> >> > teacher and other students.  Now we need to find a way to
>>> >> do this at
>>> >> > different times to
>>> >> > include more people around the World.  We have heard from
>>> >> friends in
>>> >> > India,
>>> >> > Australia, New Zealan, Canada and Alaska that have taken or
>>> >> would love to
>>> >> > take a  class, but the timing is not great for them.  I ask
>>> >> each one of
>>> >> > you to
>>> >> > seriously think about what you would like from Krafters
>>> >> Korner and if one
>>> >> > of  your answers are take classes like others, then I ask
>>> >> you to please
>>> >> > contact me  off list.  _Blindhands at aol.com_
>>> >> (mailto:Blindhands at aol.com)
>>> >> > I would like to work with you to make this happen.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > While this conversation went on there was not much comments
>>> >> being made
>>> >> > from
>>> >> > our teachers regarding this and I would also like to
>>> hear from the
>>> >> > teachers off  list.  We do have teachers living in
>>> >> different time zones
>>> >> > and maybe
>>> >> > some of  them would be willing to try different times for
>>> >> classes.  I need
>>> >> > to
>>> >> > hear  from the teachers.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The question has been brought up why and who picked
>>> classes to be
>>> >> > during the week starting at 8 p.m.  When Krafters Korner
>>> >> first started
>>> >> > out the list was small and most folks were living on the
>>> East coast
>>> >> > and Central time zone.  Laurie Porter did our first class and it
>>> >> > was a
>>> >> beading class.   I
>>> >> > had
>>> >> > asked  our list people what time and weekend or during the
>>> >> week would
>>> >> > be best and that is how we started out.  We did try
>>> classes on the
>>> >> > weekend during the day and in the evening and in the
>>> evening during
>>> >> > the week.  We  had more folks show up for a class in the evening
>>> >> > during the week.  When classes began we would maybe have
>>> 3or 4 and
>>> >> > maybe 5 people at a
>>> >> class.   That did
>>> >> > include the teacher and me in those numbers.  Now look at
>>> >> the  attendence
>>> >> > of a
>>> >> > class.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > So please contact me off list and let's work together to
>>> >> develop this
>>> >> > further.
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Joyce  Kane
>>> >> > _www.KraftersKorner.org_ (http://www.krafterskorner.org/)
>>> >> > Blindhands at AOL.com
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